The New Knight Rifles: A Reality Check
10-19-2011 | 02:36 PM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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From: Yucca Valley,Ca
You know I cannot think of "1" company that has ever had every product in stock 24/7/365, and this means "all" that have been established for some time. It just surprises how a lot of people forgot what caused this country to grow. It was the small business man, not the big boys right up front. There is a little thing called supply and demand. People please, this thing of beating a dead horse is getting really rediculous, don't you think? If you don't like Knight so be it, I don't like Thompson Center and have had a ton of things not go well with there CS but I don't sit around and whine about it. Let's move on to more productive conversations. This site has some of the best knowledge for BP Muzzy's out there. Get back to what really matters and that is how to shoot a gun, not shoot the industry that we all seem, or suppose, to love. Just my .02 worth.
and so the facts are straight, i happen to own a Knight and i am very happy with it 
10-19-2011 | 03:54 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
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From: Saxonburg Pa
You know I cannot think of "1" company that has ever had every product in stock 24/7/365, and this means "all" that have been established for some time. It just surprises how a lot of people forgot what caused this country to grow. It was the small business man, not the big boys right up front. There is a little thing called supply and demand. People please, this thing of beating a dead horse is getting really rediculous, don't you think? If you don't like Knight so be it, I don't like Thompson Center and have had a ton of things not go well with there CS but I don't sit around and whine about it. Let's move on to more productive conversations. This site has some of the best knowledge for BP Muzzy's out there. Get back to what really matters and that is how to shoot a gun, not shoot the industry that we all seem, or suppose, to love. Just my .02 worth.
As far as T/C you are correct. There is a thread on Modern Muzzleloader where it took at least three months to get my gun back. Another thread where it took 2 months to get a part for my triumph.
In the end i was happy everything got corrected. These two are never ever going to be happy until people leave. I was so glad to see pluckit come back.
10-19-2011 | 04:02 PM
#13
Typical Buck
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Indianapolis, IN
The only thing these to have to offer is negativity. Go read there last 50 post's. Until they are banned it's always going to be something negative. Not only Knight but everything.
As far as T/C you are correct. There is a thread on Modern Muzzleloader where it took at least three months to get my gun back. Another thread where it took 2 months to get a part for my triumph.
In the end i was happy everything got corrected. These two are never ever going to be happy until people leave. I was so glad to see pluckit come back.
As far as T/C you are correct. There is a thread on Modern Muzzleloader where it took at least three months to get my gun back. Another thread where it took 2 months to get a part for my triumph.
In the end i was happy everything got corrected. These two are never ever going to be happy until people leave. I was so glad to see pluckit come back.
We are not talking about the time to send a gun in for repair or ? we are talking about times to ship, what should be stock items.
As far as pluckit, there were alot of members in his ass, for the trespassing, i believe you even put a post in about laws. I could be wrong, though
10-19-2011 | 04:19 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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From: Yucca Valley,Ca
The only thing these to have to offer is negativity. Go read there last 50 post's. Until they are banned it's always going to be something negative. Not only Knight but everything.
As far as T/C you are correct. There is a thread on Modern Muzzleloader where it took at least three months to get my gun back. Another thread where it took 2 months to get a part for my triumph.
In the end i was happy everything got corrected. These two are never ever going to be happy until people leave. I was so glad to see pluckit come back.
As far as T/C you are correct. There is a thread on Modern Muzzleloader where it took at least three months to get my gun back. Another thread where it took 2 months to get a part for my triumph.
In the end i was happy everything got corrected. These two are never ever going to be happy until people leave. I was so glad to see pluckit come back.
10-19-2011 | 04:22 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
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From: Saxonburg Pa
I purchase Bullshop conicals from Dan and it's sometimes months before I get them.-and I never hear a word from him until they show up at my door. I won't stop ordering Bullshops. I'm happy with the product. For me that's what matters the most.
Most companies conduct most of their sales through retailers. I doubt Knight will be any different.
Knight just started producing guns again this year. I would be highly surprised if they-or anyone for that matter was up and running exteremly smoothly real quick.
I think the main problems is that we Americans expect everything yesterday. It's just a product of the enviroment we've created with fast food, overnight shipping, drive through atms ect.
Most companies conduct most of their sales through retailers. I doubt Knight will be any different.
Knight just started producing guns again this year. I would be highly surprised if they-or anyone for that matter was up and running exteremly smoothly real quick.
I think the main problems is that we Americans expect everything yesterday. It's just a product of the enviroment we've created with fast food, overnight shipping, drive through atms ect.
10-20-2011 | 07:45 AM
#18
Boone & Crockett
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From: Idaho
Palehorse
I would like to try to offer somewhat of an explanation. I do not know whether it will make any sense or even if it is totally correct… but here goes.
I really do not think Knight itself wants to be an E-business. The new startup pretty much required them to be because they had lost all of their established distributors when the company failed. Not many of these same distributors were or are willing to jump right back in with the new company until they know if the company is going to survive and be able to continually supply them with the supplies they need.
I am sure, but do not actually know, the initial attempt to get back in the market place with the new product was hinged on pre-orders so that they could gauge how many of what to build. I do not think they felt that they could contract for a 100 guns if they could not sell them. I also think they needed the capitol off the sold guns to contract for new guns. I do not believe that Knight re-started with a big supply of money and they had even less parts for the old guns. It was a really big venture for a fledgling company with almost all new faces.
Prices… prices from Knight, I believe, will always be higher than what a distributor can sell them for. They need to be or why would a distributor sign on. Knight wants the distributors (creating more jobs for other businesses) to make enough money on the products to make it worthwhile for them to carry not products and accessories. If they (Knight) were selling the same products at a reduced price how would other businesses be able to handle, ship and bill and make a profit?
I honestly do not think Knight wants to be an e-business, yes, they will supplement other e-business, but if they were to become a dedicated e-business – think of the extra costs that would add to the cost of Knight doing business. Why not allow other business in America to become the distributors?
I know this does not answer all of your questions and I am certainly do not write well enough to explain it correctly, but I hope I expressed the possible thoughts.
I would like to try to offer somewhat of an explanation. I do not know whether it will make any sense or even if it is totally correct… but here goes.
I really do not think Knight itself wants to be an E-business. The new startup pretty much required them to be because they had lost all of their established distributors when the company failed. Not many of these same distributors were or are willing to jump right back in with the new company until they know if the company is going to survive and be able to continually supply them with the supplies they need.
I am sure, but do not actually know, the initial attempt to get back in the market place with the new product was hinged on pre-orders so that they could gauge how many of what to build. I do not think they felt that they could contract for a 100 guns if they could not sell them. I also think they needed the capitol off the sold guns to contract for new guns. I do not believe that Knight re-started with a big supply of money and they had even less parts for the old guns. It was a really big venture for a fledgling company with almost all new faces.
Prices… prices from Knight, I believe, will always be higher than what a distributor can sell them for. They need to be or why would a distributor sign on. Knight wants the distributors (creating more jobs for other businesses) to make enough money on the products to make it worthwhile for them to carry not products and accessories. If they (Knight) were selling the same products at a reduced price how would other businesses be able to handle, ship and bill and make a profit?
I honestly do not think Knight wants to be an e-business, yes, they will supplement other e-business, but if they were to become a dedicated e-business – think of the extra costs that would add to the cost of Knight doing business. Why not allow other business in America to become the distributors?
I know this does not answer all of your questions and I am certainly do not write well enough to explain it correctly, but I hope I expressed the possible thoughts.
10-20-2011 | 08:17 AM
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Fork Horn
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From: IndianaKY
Not many of these same distributors were or are willing to jump right back in with the new company until they know if the company is going to survive and be able to continually supply them with the supplies they need. . . . I also think they needed the capitol off the sold guns to contract for new guns.
Last edited by Palehorse; 10-20-2011 at 08:22 AM.
10-20-2011 | 08:25 AM
#20
Boone & Crockett
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From: Idaho
That was my guess, sabotloader . Moreover, they faced about as difficult a credit/investment market in which to startup, so their capital options were probably few.
I really wish I was a much better writer to express what I was trying to offer.
Here might be an example - from TC a universal ram rod is $12.24 + shipping, from an internet supplier they are just over $9.00+ shipping. I believe that it is to TC advantage for you to purchase from the internet supplier who in turn will come back and buy a bulk order from TC vs. the one or two that I might buy from them.