New powder
08-07-2011 | 03:28 PM
#141
Giant Nontypical
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Not really considering this from about 2007
Plus there is PROOF testing and hardness testing. Both are not always the same in barrel quality. Very hard steal can be brittle too. That is why CVA is not approved by CIP in many Euro countries and are banned in many of them without passing a in house proof test first before the consumer can take them home. Try buying one in Italy or Spain.
Call CVA and ask them how many retail outlets they have in CIP countries. T/C has a list on their website.
Im not saying that i think new CVAs are unsafe for most loads but if they only tested them to 28k PSI as Gander said then a 3pellet load can be VERY dangerous.
Plus there is PROOF testing and hardness testing. Both are not always the same in barrel quality. Very hard steal can be brittle too. That is why CVA is not approved by CIP in many Euro countries and are banned in many of them without passing a in house proof test first before the consumer can take them home. Try buying one in Italy or Spain.
Call CVA and ask them how many retail outlets they have in CIP countries.
T/C has a list on their website.Im not saying that i think new CVAs are unsafe for most loads but if they only tested them to 28k PSI as Gander said then a 3pellet load can be VERY dangerous.
08-07-2011 | 03:32 PM
#142
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Are you a CVA rep that wont post OPENLY on this forum? Ive asked Dudley to come here several times to clear up some questions. I took GANDERS info FROM CVA and compared it to the data Lymann got on sub psi potential. Tough beans if you dont like it. 
Hey i quoted the REST of your quote. You know the part you left out.
Go ahead call CVA and ask them how many guns they sell in CIP countries and get back to me.
I guess you are not to up on WHO writes the articles either. Another Randy shoots imports all the time and reviews them on Chucks site. I dont even like quoting Wakeman.
Hey i quoted the REST of your quote. You know the part you left out.
Go ahead call CVA and ask them how many guns they sell in CIP countries and get back to me.
I guess you are not to up on WHO writes the articles either. Another Randy shoots imports all the time and reviews them on Chucks site. I dont even like quoting Wakeman.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 08-07-2011 at 03:38 PM.
08-07-2011 | 03:36 PM
#144
Typical Buck
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Not sure how we got from shills to CVA but, it seems some hate CVA more than shills... I personally, am amazed!
08-07-2011 | 03:45 PM
#145
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Only 150gr equivalent PELLET loads are approved yet the numbers dont jive.
Like i said have A CVA rep come here and say it is ok to shoot 150gr of loose powder including BH209 and give the actual proof testing data from the proofing house.
That will answer all the questions and it will be in writing.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 08-07-2011 at 03:55 PM.
08-07-2011 | 03:50 PM
#146
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Thats because those rifles had the old non up to date manuals. You had to call back then to ask about the max charge with loose powder. They still state that its best used with pellets for a better burn.
when i get home i will be more than happy to show you in the owners manual that it is ok to shoot 150gr loose powder.
What would happen if someone took these 140gr BH209 loads some of you guys shoot and use it with say, a 300 or 350gr projectile in the guns you guys are shooting? Have any of you shot heavy projectiles with that much powder?
when i get home i will be more than happy to show you in the owners manual that it is ok to shoot 150gr loose powder.
What would happen if someone took these 140gr BH209 loads some of you guys shoot and use it with say, a 300 or 350gr projectile in the guns you guys are shooting? Have any of you shot heavy projectiles with that much powder?
08-07-2011 | 03:51 PM
#147
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Are you a CVA rep that wont post OPENLY on this forum? Ive asked Dudley to come here several times to clear up some questions. I took GANDERS info FROM CVA and compared it to the data Lymann got on sub psi potential. Tough beans if you dont like it.
Hey i quoted the REST of your quote. You know the part you left out.
Go ahead call CVA and ask them how many guns they sell in CIP countries and get back to me. I guess you are not to up on WHO writes the articles either. Another Randy shoots imports all the time and reviews them on Chucks site. I dont even like quoting Wakeman.
Hey i quoted the REST of your quote. You know the part you left out.
Go ahead call CVA and ask them how many guns they sell in CIP countries and get back to me.
I guess you are not to up on WHO writes the articles either. Another Randy shoots imports all the time and reviews them on Chucks site. I dont even like quoting Wakeman.
08-07-2011 | 04:03 PM
#148
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It brought out another "shill" didn't it. You guys turned this into ripping on shills so i added another one. LOL
I don't hate them at all but my Accura 45 sure wouldn't shoot as well as my Knights with charges over 100-110gr depending on bullet. Plus the primers flowed into the firing pin bushing badly. Gander promotes firing pin bushing adjustments that WILL void your warranty if it needs to go back to CVA. That was straight from Dudley too.
Post the manual Gander, i just looked at one online the other day and it says 100gr MAX and less with bullets of 300gr or more. Plus bullets over a certain weight are not recommended.
Dated 4/2010
http://www.cva.com/pdfs/Accura%20Rif...orm%20107A.pdf
WTF is this?
None of my other guns have these restrictions?
You guys turned this into ripping on shills so i added another one. LOLI don't hate them at all but my Accura 45 sure wouldn't shoot as well as my Knights with charges over 100-110gr depending on bullet. Plus the primers flowed into the firing pin bushing badly. Gander promotes firing pin bushing adjustments that WILL void your warranty if it needs to go back to CVA. That was straight from Dudley too.
Post the manual Gander, i just looked at one online the other day and it says 100gr MAX and less with bullets of 300gr or more. Plus bullets over a certain weight are not recommended.
Dated 4/2010
http://www.cva.com/pdfs/Accura%20Rif...orm%20107A.pdf
WTF is this?
Do not use saboted bullets weighing over
300 grains in your CVA rifle.
300 grains in your CVA rifle.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 08-07-2011 at 04:17 PM.
08-07-2011 | 04:05 PM
#150
Typical Buck
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All CVA Break-Action In-Lines are capable of handling a "magnum"
powder charge of up to 150-grains when using pelletized powder (typically
charges of loose powder exceeding 110 grains by volume will not fully burn
powder charge of up to 150-grains when using pelletized powder (typically
charges of loose powder exceeding 110 grains by volume will not fully burn
in the barrel). Such "magnum" loads should never be fired in other CVA In-
Lines that do not feature the one-piece Monoblock barrel design.
Lines that do not feature the one-piece Monoblock barrel design.
From a cva owners manual.....
Also does not list BH209 as a safe propellant for cva barrels....and states the max load for looase powder in 100gr. and only 150gr. loads in pellet form.....
http://www.cva.com/pdfs/CVA%20Optima...arr%20Book.pdf