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Old 12-19-2010 | 04:44 AM
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in NY ML season. The decision to get rid off all scoped guns and go back to iron sighted side-locks has definitely left me unable to take more than a few shots this year! Ditto for bow where my opportunities were either at 0 yards or 30+. Nevertheless, I've been enjoying myself as time permits.
BTW, isn't it about the time for TDWW to be posting?
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Old 12-19-2010 | 05:06 AM
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I Just could'nt be without a Scope on a MLer. As you also being a Fellow N.Y.er Im sure you know it has'nt been all that long since NY made the change from Round Ball to Sabot and Open Sights to Scopes. Sure I shot Deer with no Scope befor when I had to but a Scope just offers so much more to the Hunter and the Animal.
Im just about ready to accept the End and go through the deraded Hunting Withdrawls, I missed this Mornings Hunt, slept in.
I shot a Nice Big Fat 118lb Doe last night and My Buddy Jim after missing 3 times shot 2 Big Does, 104 and 112lbs, the Deer were everywhere! No WIND for once, I could'nt believe it.
So Im content with the end near, I have a 7pt a 9pt and a Big Doe to fill My Freezer, I will give it Heck this Afternoon and the next 2 Days, I need to fill one more Tag for someone who's 92 years old and cant Hunt anymore but Love's Venesion, that will make My 2010 Season Complete.
Good Luck to you and hope all turns out well.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 06:29 AM
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I like my flinters I have one set with a rear peep man it like shooting a scope: I also have one set up with fiber optic sights when I hunted late christmas late flint lock.
I gave it a shot on the fist 3 days of the late B/P season here in n.y.s.
I came up with 0 in the han-ock n.y. area saw a small doe but I let her pass I think she the same doe I seen all season behind the house: I know she was running with a brother spike both yearling and stupid man you can build a barn fire and they would stand there and watch
I think she made it but the brother did not.
I was over in Liberty which has a 3 point restriction with brow tine no luck there seen a wide 4 pointer no brow tine well could not shoot.
I did take a large doe during the gun season with my 38-55 other then that noting.I would have gone back up but came down with a bad cold
I wish they would have a early season in b/p in the southern zone but it would never happen .
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Old 12-19-2010 | 07:11 AM
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We have the same type rules here during ML season, but at least it allows us to use a open breech-cap shooting inline.

I have gone to peep sites for hunting, will NY allow that.... This is the one on my MK...



This is the one on my Renegade...




For me and my old eyes - these work a lot better. I am very comfortable shooting 150 yds - if all the conditions are good.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by sabotloader
3seasons

We have the same type rules here during ML season, but at least it allows us to use a open breech-cap shooting inline.

I have gone to peep sites for hunting, will NY allow that.... This is the one on my MK...



This is the one on my Renegade...




For me and my old eyes - these work a lot better. I am very comfortable shooting 150 yds - if all the conditions are good.
Sabotlosder, Scopes are Legal in N.Y. and so are Fiber Optic Sights. The only restriction is the MLer must have a minimum Bore of .44inch shooting a Single Projectile.
Double Barrel Mler's are Not Legal nor are Percussion Cap Revolvers.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 07:43 AM
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in NY ML season. The decision to get rid off all scoped guns and go back to iron sighted side-locks has definitely left me unable to take more than a few shots this year!
I was just reading 3seasons post - I think it says NY ML season... So it was his decision???? not a state rule. I sure did not read it that way but I am a long ways from NY...
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Old 12-19-2010 | 07:51 AM
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Going out in a few moments to see what's doin'...well, I simply decided to take primitive firearms season literally this year. It's not that I'm against in-lines at all, but to me, it's a single shot rifle. Same w/ crossbow, IMO-not purely primitive. Don't get me wrong I am a meat hunter & w/ the exception of some chicken we don't actually buy meat very often at all. If this were true subsistence, I'd certainly hunt w/ every advantage I could. Just a personal choice w/ some now obvious limitations...
Though archery is my favorite season by the end I am ready for a little more range. It would be nice to have an early muzzleloader say a few days prior to regular firearms here in the southern zone as in the 'Dacks, but I can see that becoming just an earlier firearms season unless limited to percussion/flintlock & open sights...
Sabot-scopes are allowed here now. My cougar has a peep which I like alot but I've been hellbent on hanging a tag w/ the other Hawken this year.
I'm a bit stubborn...at times.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 07:58 AM
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I was just reading 3seasons post - I think it says NY ML season... So it was his decision???? not a state rule. I sure did not read it that way but I am a long ways from NY...
Yes, it was 3seasons decision to do without a Scope, a personal preference of his own.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 08:49 AM
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Here, we cannot use scopes during muzzle loader season. Myself, i cannot focus on the front sight without squinting pretty tight. Focusing on the rear sights is impossible, forcing the use of a peep. This has led me to practice with iron sights, more than with a scope. So far, except this year so far, i have notched my tag(s). There are those that think such regulations are depriving us older folk our 'rights'. Seems to me, allowing the use of 1X scopes, would be a big help to folk like myself, but, i have thus far managed to get by. It would make me happier, to leave the regulations the way they are, and let me have more tags.

Hunting our regular rifle seasons, is what i really enjoy doing, because then, i can use a scope on my muzzle loader. This year has been especially fun; all those many days in field carrying a scoped muzzle loader. Being able to really see the sights makes it some more fun for me.

There is one advantage to not being able to use a scope; the rifle becomes more compact, and lighter. After a long hike, my back doesn't hurt as much.

One thing that bothers me when i don't have a scoped rifle with, is that front sight perched out there on the end of the barrel. It seems so vulnerable to damage. The very first time i hunted muzzle loader season, i fell, and damaged the front sight. However, i have never damaged the front sight since. Having carried a scoped rifle for over 50 year, and falling so very very many times without hurting the scope, has made me a believer in the reliability of good scopes. There is no doubt in my mind, that the front sight is far more vulnerable to damage, than a good scope is.

At this writing, i cannot decide if not allowing scopes during muzzle loader season, is bad thing, or good thing.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ronlaughlin
Here, we cannot use scopes during muzzle loader season. Myself, i cannot focus on the front sight without squinting pretty tight. Focusing on the rear sights is impossible, forcing the use of a peep. This has led me to practice with iron sights, more than with a scope. So far, except this year so far, i have notched my tag(s). There are those that think such regulations are depriving us older folk our 'rights'. Seems to me, allowing the use of 1X scopes, would be a big help to folk like myself, but, i have thus far managed to get by. It would make me happier, to leave the regulations the way they are, and let me have more tags.

Hunting our regular rifle seasons, is what i really enjoy doing, because then, i can use a scope on my muzzle loader. This year has been especially fun; all those many days in field carrying a scoped muzzle loader. Being able to really see the sights makes it some more fun for me.

There is one advantage to not being able to use a scope; the rifle becomes more compact, and lighter. After a long hike, my back doesn't hurt as much.

One thing that bothers me when i don't have a scoped rifle with, is that front sight perched out there on the end of the barrel. It seems so vulnerable to damage. The very first time i hunted muzzle loader season, i fell, and damaged the front sight. However, i have never damaged the front sight since. Having carried a scoped rifle for over 50 year, and falling so very very many times without hurting the scope, has made me a believer in the reliability of good scopes. There is no doubt in my mind, that the front sight is far more vulnerable to damage, than a good scope is.

At this writing, i cannot decide if not allowing scopes during muzzle loader season, is bad thing, or good thing.
N.Y. came to the conclusion that being able to use a Scope on a MLer Greatly Improved Hunter Success and Greatly Reduced the rate of Wounded or Lost Deer. Being able to use a Scope also helped the Hunter make a More Ethicle Shot and that's what matters the most.
Also like you mentioned some need better magnification and what better was to do this than a Scope, why deprive the Hunter and Handicap Him of making a Good Clean Kill.
You still only have one shot with a MLer, and you have to be able to get a shot, it should'nt matter if it's scoped or not. Why deprive the Hunter or the Animal what's best for each.
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