Thanks Sabotloader for keeping this thread, and US, in line with reality.


Chap

Thanks for the Excellent and detailed positive input, as usual


I do use a $200 dollar rifle and a 150 buck scope, all bought on sale. And since I am a dedicated 45cal shooter, here is a small tip for those of us that love the 45's

The 200g 40cal/10mm XTP is a Super Accurate bullet with plenty of killing power for most shooters, from 30-120 yards easy! And 70-100g of your favorite powder works great. Use the MMP Tan 45/40 cal sabot, or the Harvester Crushed Rib or Smooth Blue sabots. About 20cents plus sabots

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=678084

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...sku=0000340060



And if you want to save even more money, You can Practice with Berry's Bullets-in the 40cal/10mil, 200g HP
These look and shoot to almost the same point of impact at 100yards, and you can usually get them form Cabellas or directly from Berry's in bulk boxes of 250-500 bullets.

http://www.cabelas.com/link-12/product/0018737214914a.shtml#chart

http://www.berrysmfg.com/product.aspx?i=14500&c=14&pp=8&sb=0&am p;p=0



That's about 13cents each Plus shipping, plus sabots.

I agree with you. You can also use 777 with 250grn bullets or less and match BH209 all day long. Most dont know that. BH209 is nice if you can afford it. BH209 really shines with heavier bullets.

I would just like to say this is a good post and answer's,weather you can afford it or not you should not have
too buy the top dollar bullet.You just have to remember the people before us who got it done with a whole lot less.

I shoot side hammer percussion and run my own round balls and REALs at 50 cents a pound at the metal recyclers the round balls cost pennies and the REALs cost about a nickel/ each.
Beat that.

You know we are use to asking how much you wanna spend for gun and scope, we need to do that too with bullets and powders. I had not thought about a 45 being so much cheaper too shoot and Lane's numbers are impressive when you consider just $. With so many of our MLing brothern loosing jobs, or taking partime job and trying to raise a family on $10/houretc, we gotta be sensitive to their need also. Thanks for starting this Grouse, we truly need to help the less fortunate hunter out. I am blessed in many ways, so $1/bullet is not a problem for me, but I know it is for many others.
Chap

sabotloader
Well I really don't know if there are a majority of us shooting any thing [as in which powder]I have a number of different ones in my possession and use 3 of them without any intention of fixing what works good,but I am curious, I don't see the method we used to use to set up a pole, is it still possible?
Also I am waiting to see what you think about the Lehigh's as the design of a bullet that fragments in the front end to become a flat nose penetrater does not really fit into any of the groups that I use to plan my hunts but I want to be sure that I am not bypassing anything worth while either.
And the theme of the thread,the cheapest good bullet, well if its for deer at the average range deer are shot at in the east or Midwest the 54 cal home made round ball with a proper load [I think Sissie load cause unnecessary problems] will drop deer on the spot 80 percent or of the time and go right on out the other side.
But like a lot of others here I prefer to play with my inlines most of the time and for that the 250 Gold Dot has with out any doubt done a job for me that literally can not be improved on for terminal performance, when every shot has been a bang flop with an exit; I am not saying some other bullet might not do the job as well but if it does then you have to look at the price.
Now this does not mean I would take them on an elk or buffalo hunt that's why I haveNosler Partitions on hand, and at that point I am still looking, a lot ofpeople look at the ballistic shape as what make a bullet shoot flat I am interested in it because it means more energy whereI need it, and that's where my big game bullet choice could be improved on. Lee

I think for folks that have the time and the skill, that is great, for the guy who is buying a $200 ML and a $100 scope and wants inexpensive bullet and powder to hunt 1 week extra per year, he will think that is too much trouble. Me I know the power of the large meplat flat bullet, I think your really on to something. Most guys are not gonna go this way, but pure folks that shoot a lot will consider this.
Chap

Actually, yes, I think that first statement is accurate. I wasn't commenting on the entire muzzleloading community. Just what I've seen on this forum and ModernMuzzleloaders. And pretty much every inline owning member on either site has at least tried BH209. If my use of the word "we" meant every muzzleloader owner in the world to you, then yes I was wrong.

I don't doubt for a minute that there's a whole lot of people who shoot Hornaday XTP's. They're cheap and they kill game. Some people go with the bare minimum it takes to get the job done and what will make the smallest dent in their wallet. Nothing at all wrong with that. I just choose not to.

Yes, yes I do have a good idea of how many $150 - $200 muzzleloaders are out there. I don't have the figures but I have a pretty good idea. I know quite a few people who have the lower end TC's and the Remington Genesis' and the lower end CVA's. That's great and I'm glad they like their guns. I'm not saying anything bad about them. And a lot of people don't research things like you and I. They just go with the powder and bullets that daddy went with or whatever they have available to them. Again, nothing wrong with that. I just have this habit of researching things to the point of obsession whenever I take on a hobby. And through my research I find what (in my opinion based on research) the best products are. That's why I own and use what I do.



Again these are all just my opinions. A lot of you gentlemen will forget more about muzzleloaders than I'll probably ever learn. That's why I like hanging out here and trying to absorb as much of your expertise as I can.

As usual you make a very good point Chap.

Good point, it would be fun to see which powders we all use via poll but this board doesnot have that option. If you check the "Deer Hunting" board, it's right beside the "New Post" button...

Maybe the mods could help us out.

I for one would like to see a poll about powders. Hopefully powderwon't stir up the dramathat bullets do