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Old 12-05-2008, 09:14 AM
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I've got a few friends that use muzzle loaders also and they all shoot 245 grain bullets. Some use Powerbelts and some use Shockwaves. I myself have been shooting 295 grain Powerbelts in mine and at 100 yards it is super accurate. I'm really happy with it and and I killed a 8 pointer with these bullets and 2 pyrdex 50/50 pellets. It was around 123 yards and I aimed high. Right at the top of the back knowning how much faster bullets drop out of this thing and I hit him right where I wanted to. I think the gun may have been shooting slightly low at that time but I'm not positive. Since I'm having such good luck with this combo is it what I should stick with? I have about 25 or 30 bullets left so not too eager to switch I'm just wondering if I'm missing out on something by not using the 245 grain bullets? Or is it just whatever your gun wants to shoot? BTW the 295 grian Powerbelts are all I've ever shot when it comes to black powder guns.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:19 AM
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Thought I'd add in that the bullets did not pass through. The first shot which was about perfect went and poked the skin out on the other side of the deer but didn't break the skin. The second shot which was after he was on the ground. He couldn't get up and was flapping around so I shot him again in the back as I wasn't sure at that time where I had hit him the first time and I didn't want him to suffer. I couldn't get a shot behind his shoulders again as he kept putting his head there so I shot him in the spine at probably 20-30 yards and that one went about halfway through him but didn't come back out either. It went down towards the bottom of him it wasn't a spine shot from the side. Had I know how great of a shot the first one had been I might not have taken the 2nd one as it just wasted a little bit of meat. I was afraid he would get away though as I wasn't sure if I had hit him where I wanted to.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:26 AM
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Default RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?

I don't shoot powerbelts but from what I have taken in you are pushing the envelope for what those bullets will take with a 100gr charge. Powerbelts are famous for fragmenting if you push them too fast.

Personally, a bullet that does not consistently exit on a broadside shot on a deer is too frangible for me. I would pick something that holds together a little better like a Shockwave, Barnes, XTP etc.

As for weight, opinions vary. I take a ton of deer with 200gr bullets (SW). Most people go around 240-250gr with some up to 300gr and higher. On deer I thing the 250gr range is a happy medium, and the better 200gr bullets (SW, 195gr Dead Center) are good too. I'm not a big fan of the 180gr hollowpoints.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:55 AM
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There is very very little difference in drop between the 245 and 295gr powerbelt. Heavier is always better. I know that with 80gr pyrodex rs and a 295, sighted dead on @ 100 i am 7" low @ 150. Your 2 pellet load is fine for 100+ yard shooting, but if you get something within 10 to 60 yards. Its going to fragment. I'd suggest using 80gr ( 1 50gr pellet and 1 30gr pellet) Or loose powder. The performance of the bullet will be so much better. Or you can switch to the 270gr-300gr Platinum.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:12 AM
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Almost all spots I hunt with the muzzle loader you get a 100-150 yard shot. One place 200 yards or so but I don't think I'd take a shot that far off with it. That's why I'm thinking I like the 100 grains of pellets. I'm not sure that my muzzle loader can handle any more than that which is why I've stuck with 100. I don't have the manual as I bought it used but it's a Marlin MLS-50.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:26 AM
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Default RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?

Some can probably guess what I'm going to say.............try FPBs.

They are similar to a PB in that they are full bore size, no sabot needed. They have a thicker jackt than PB, and are not supposed to fragment. The Hornady site indicates great terminal performance between 800 and 200 fps. Only one weight right now, 350 gr (heavy is good).

The site also indicates you can get almost 1500 fps with 130 gr of powder, as I recall. That is a 150 yd load (2.75 high at 75, zero at 125, 3.5 low at 150) that will just wilt a deer. I'm shooting 100 gr now, but over the summer I'll mess with it to see what a heavier charge will do for accuracy. Right now I'm 2" high at 50, good to 125 wit a center of mass POA.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:27 AM
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100gr pellets

245gr AT = 8" low @ 200 *So they say*

295gr AT = 9" low @ 200.

Not a huge difference at all. Always go with the bigger bullet.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:37 AM
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Default RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?

I shoot 245 grain Powerbelt Arrowtips out of my CVA Kodiak Mag over 2 pellets of 777. I have only ever recovered one bullet from ranges 15 - 150 yards. All others have been passthroughs. I understand the argument of "heavier is better", but IMHO, I have not seen thedifference of 50 grainsmakinga dead deer vs a wounded one. Put either one in the boiler room and down they go.
I tested the 295gr and the 245gr. I shoot the 245gr mostly because my gun grouped them better at the yardages I was shooting over the 295gr. With the 245 grain, I knowanything within 140 yards, I can aim dead on and fire. The bullet will hit accuratley.
To give a specific answer, the only thing I think you may be missing with the 245grain is not having to use as much "hold over" as compared to the 295gr. However, the 295gr will give you more "punch" when it gets there with less winddrift.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:52 PM
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I did forget to mention I guess the ones I'm shooting are the hollow point ones. I've tried the Aero Tip ones as I bought some by mistake and they did okay I just had always used the hollow point ones so went back to using those.
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:06 PM
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with hp's i deff. would not use 2 pellets.
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