245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
12-05-2008, 01:21 PM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
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with hp's i deff. would not use 2 pellets.
with hp's i deff. would not use 2 pellets.
12-05-2008, 01:55 PM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
If you have something under 60 yards, the bullets going to come apart. With the HP, it will do it a lot sooner.
295gr HP- 58 yards- Pyrodex RS.
100gr
90gr
80gr
Heres a 295gr HP shot with 80gr Triple 7 @ 40-50 yards, Bigdaddy posted this a couple days ago. This is perfect as it did not over expand nor does it look like it shed much weight. judging the center, I would easily say that 80gr Triple 7 should be max. That center if it gets to thin, thats where you run into fragmenting issues.
295gr HP- 58 yards- Pyrodex RS.
100gr
90gr
80gr
Heres a 295gr HP shot with 80gr Triple 7 @ 40-50 yards, Bigdaddy posted this a couple days ago. This is perfect as it did not over expand nor does it look like it shed much weight. judging the center, I would easily say that 80gr Triple 7 should be max. That center if it gets to thin, thats where you run into fragmenting issues.
12-05-2008, 02:24 PM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
These are the two bullets I recovered. Both are 295 grain Power Belts with 100 grains of powder. Well 2 50 grain pellets. One was around 123 yards and the other was around 30 yards or so. Maybe not quite that but I'd say that's a close guess.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0mmVX-I016.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0mmVX-I013.jpg
It looks like the one did come apart some as you are stating.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0mmVX-I016.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0mmVX-I013.jpg
It looks like the one did come apart some as you are stating.
12-05-2008, 02:24 PM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
80gr RS "Or whatever you powder choice is" 150 yards.
If you're sighted dead on @ 100, the bullet drop will be 7" @ 150. I put my blade/fiber optics right on their back and squeeze the trigger when they are 150 yards away. With a scope you can easily judge the 7" drop.
If you're sighted dead on @ 100, the bullet drop will be 7" @ 150. I put my blade/fiber optics right on their back and squeeze the trigger when they are 150 yards away. With a scope you can easily judge the 7" drop.
12-05-2008, 02:30 PM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
The bullet on the left is great. Expanded right down to the HP. Bullet on the right i can see in the other pic was starting to shred.
Bullet on the right had some heat on it! I've never seen one come out purple and blue
Which bullet was the first shot?
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Bullet on the right had some heat on it! I've never seen one come out purple and blue
Which bullet was the first shot?
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12-05-2008, 02:56 PM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
Oh ok thanks. I can't remember which one was the first shot. That's the bad thing. I'm for some reason thinking it might have been the left one but honestly I can't remember so I have no idea.
12-11-2008, 09:06 PM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
in our flintlock hawkins we use 295/348 pb.
hollow ones.
we like them because we can LOAD DOWN ,not up on powder and it will work great.
like i use 80 grs of 2f in my hawkins with 295 gr .
if you push ANY hollow point bullet fast at close range, say 60 to 80 yds, its going to blow up.
now, thats not bad if you hit buck behind shoulder but if you hit him in shoulder, thats not good.
sooooooooooooooo, we slow the PB bullets down,we get great groups,no kick to rifle,bullet operns up very good at slower speed.
what else would we want.
i like gun that does not kick your head off or sounds like a cannon going off and still kill a deer out to 125 yds .
almost all my bucks are shot at 50 yds or less
hollow ones.
we like them because we can LOAD DOWN ,not up on powder and it will work great.
like i use 80 grs of 2f in my hawkins with 295 gr .
if you push ANY hollow point bullet fast at close range, say 60 to 80 yds, its going to blow up.
now, thats not bad if you hit buck behind shoulder but if you hit him in shoulder, thats not good.
sooooooooooooooo, we slow the PB bullets down,we get great groups,no kick to rifle,bullet operns up very good at slower speed.
what else would we want.
i like gun that does not kick your head off or sounds like a cannon going off and still kill a deer out to 125 yds .
almost all my bucks are shot at 50 yds or less
12-12-2008, 07:04 AM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
Not here to debate the fragmentation of the PB's, but the 245gr arrowtips have never come apart on me shooting 2 pellets of 777. The bullet below actually went through a small 2 - 3 inch diameter tree before killing a big doe. I found the bullet under the opposite skin from the entry hole with the bottom green plastic piece still attached. Ialways meant to get back to the area and take a picture of the tree, but forgot my camera everytime I went back. Range was ~40 yards. I agree that velocity has a lot to do with this and I have no idea what velocity the CVA Kodiak Mag was producing with this load.
For a broad generalization, is there any truth to say the arrowtips will hold together better at higher velocities then the hollowpoints? The arrowtips shot great out of my gun and preformed great on ever deer I shot, so I never tried a different load.
For a broad generalization, is there any truth to say the arrowtips will hold together better at higher velocities then the hollowpoints? The arrowtips shot great out of my gun and preformed great on ever deer I shot, so I never tried a different load.
12-12-2008, 09:15 AM
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RE: 245 grain vs 295 grain bullets?
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Not here to debate the fragmentation of the PB's, but the 245gr arrowtips have never come apart on me shooting 2 pellets of 777. The bullet below actually went through a small 2 - 3 inch diameter tree before killing a big doe. I found the bullet under the opposite skin from the entry hole with the bottom green plastic piece still attached. Ialways meant to get back to the area and take a picture of the tree, but forgot my camera everytime I went back. Range was ~40 yards. I agree that velocity has a lot to do with this and I have no idea what velocity the CVA Kodiak Mag was producing with this load.
For a broad generalization, is there any truth to say the arrowtips will hold together better at higher velocities then the hollowpoints? The arrowtips shot great out of my gun and preformed great on ever deer I shot, so I never tried a different load.
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Not here to debate the fragmentation of the PB's, but the 245gr arrowtips have never come apart on me shooting 2 pellets of 777. The bullet below actually went through a small 2 - 3 inch diameter tree before killing a big doe. I found the bullet under the opposite skin from the entry hole with the bottom green plastic piece still attached. Ialways meant to get back to the area and take a picture of the tree, but forgot my camera everytime I went back. Range was ~40 yards. I agree that velocity has a lot to do with this and I have no idea what velocity the CVA Kodiak Mag was producing with this load.
For a broad generalization, is there any truth to say the arrowtips will hold together better at higher velocities then the hollowpoints? The arrowtips shot great out of my gun and preformed great on ever deer I shot, so I never tried a different load.
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USE AERO TIPS/PLATINUM PB IN THE IN-LINES.
USE THE HOLLOW POINT PB IN FLINTLOCKS.