I have the Tc Endeavor. It is a great gun. You can buy centerfire and rimfire barrels to put on it. It is pretty expensive. If you want one just for Muzzle loading, I would suggest the TC triumph. What ever you get, you should get one that you can use Blackhorn 209 powder in. I quit with mz a couple years ago. I got tired of all the swabbing and stink. Sold all my stuff. Now with blackhorn, I am loving mz shooting again. No more swabbing, and you can leave it dirty. No more rust.

Start with an inexpensive & handymodel to seehow much you like it. That will leave you with money left over to buy allof the neededaccessories, or to buy another traditionalriflethat will shoot the easier loading and less expensive patched round balls forevenmoreplinking fun.

The Traditions Yukon thatcomes with a nickel barrel costs $169 at Midsouth, and the blue model is $152. Their nickel coating is verydurable and slicker than.....snow!

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00139R4100




http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=R4100

Yes, BH is expensive, another option to consider, you could buy a Savage Smokeless and shoot low recoil 2000 FPS loads and have 0 cleaning the whole season, shoot for about 1/2 the cost of 777 and 1/3 the cost of Blackhorn and really enjoy it, if your state allow Smokeless.

I am going to Colorado on Friday with my Savage for first Rifle season Elkand all I did was take the breech plug out, drill out the carbon, replace the "vent liner" (basically hole that is in the breech plug) and cleaned the thread and I am ready to go. My rifle shoots better fouled and no swabbing ever. I have cleaned it 2x since owning it, and I hunted all last year with it and shot about 300 shots thru it this spring and summer. They are a very accurate gun and as low maintenance as ya wanna be.

I shot this group the 2nd time I shot the rifle, 300g Shockwave with 44g of 5744 and the supplied sabot. The gun is more accurate than I am.
Chap