OK, I could try and search but I am a little lazy

Could one of you who has shot the NOsler Partitions (I assume .458?) share with me exactly what sabot you were using, and your experience with load development? What type of gun have you tried? I have a T/C Omega X7 that is going elk hunting this fall and I want something hard-hitting and tough to shoot in it.

spaniel

I have shot Noslers since, well just say it was a long time ago. There is no turning back for me - other than they are to dang expensive now. I bought a ton of them years ago and still have enough left to last me - I am old.

I shoot two of them.... I shoot .451/260's for deer and .458/300 for elk. I use MMP sabots for both. I use a HPH-24 black sabot in all of the rifles I have except the White and that one takes a HPH-12. And for the .458's I use a MMP .458/50 cal Orange sabot.

A point of information the .458's are a rifle bullet and built with a slightly thicker copper jacket, the .451/300 grain HG's (hand gun) bullets are also great bullets and if you a shooting deer @ the closer ranges might perform a bit better for you than the .458's - on a thin skinned whitetail they can get in and out on a big hurry - that is why I use the 260 on deer - it is really a deadly bullet... but if you are are hunting both on the same hunt go 300.

I am a T7 user have not made the switch to BH-209 yet probably will not for some time down the line... to expensive for me. I did do a lot of load developement for the different rifles that I own. It worked out that 110 grains of T7-2f worked best in most of my guns, but the White and the Knight DE both shoot 120 grains. I also shot a Remington 700ML for years - the older version - a 24" barrel which might be a lot like the shorter barreledX7 and it really like 100 grains.

The Noslers haveprovided outstanding success and performance EASILY out to 200 yards from there you are stretching them.

I do not know if you have made the jump to BH but if not and you are still shooting T7 - you might even look at T7-3f for a cleanerburn anda bit faster acceleration of the projectile. It is just slightly more suseptible (sp) to moisture in the rainand winterthan 2f (in theory) - I have never had a problem with either but others might.

.458/300 grain
Average velocity with 120 grains T7-2f has been 1860
Average velocity with 110 grains T7-2f has been 1775

and I will be darned I can not find the information for the old Remington with 100 grains of T7.

I have a lot of information about this subject if you want more let me know.

Chap wil find this post sooner or later and he is way more scientific than I am - so he will share valid reasoning - (he is a math nut) I hunt with a one of them and for them visual performance is not enough there has to be a mathematical answer to every equation or it just will not work...

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2894014

There is some talk here about them.

spaniel

Just had another thought... that new X7 might have one of the real tight TC bores and if so it might be really tough to get the .458/Orange sabot down the barrel... If so not all is lost got to the .451 Nosler and a HPH-3p-EZ load sabot or even maybe the "crush rib"

What sabot bullet combination are you using now? That would tell me a lot about your bore...

Thanks.

I currently shoot the 200gr .40 Shockwaves in the gun (because I shoot this in my scoped Omega and can carry both guns with one set or reloads) or the 300gr Precision Rifle Keith Nose HP. I can tell you that it literally took a hammer to pound the 250gr .45 Shockwaves down the barrel, so it is a tighter bore (only made that mistake...twice!). I'll likely have to go with the .451s then.

spaniel

Yup! I agree and probably with the HPH-3p-Ez load or the "crush rib" - it is a personal thing but I prefer the 3p..

For what it's worth; I have a tight barreled CVA Wolf and found the MMP HPH 3-petal sabot significantly easier to load then the Harvester crush-ribs.

James

spaniel

send me an address and I will send you a couple of samples to push down through - so you know what you need...

mike

Here is my journey into Nosler discovery:

http://www.the-gleasons.com/bullets_penetration_tests_for_mu.htm

I have an Omega and it shoots very good groups with the .451 300g Nosler Partition HG bullets and a crushed rib sabot with 100g of 777. The bullet is very strong (will not break apart or fragment), expands very well, giving large wound channel and shoots thru the animal (at least deer). As for the scientific part of this (Sabotloader pointed this out), I pointed out the Nosler benefits ona couple ofotherthread here:

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2884930

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2883447


Now, SL likes the .458 Nosler Rifle bullets, they are a bit thicker jacketed than the pistol bullets and the pistol bullets are designed to expand at lower velocity, which I think is the right thing for deer, but for elk I would go with SL .458 rifle, since that would be a more solid bullet. I believe SL 300g .458 rifle bullet (a 45/70 bullet) is the way to go in your Omega with either the Orange MMP, the 3 petal EZ or the Crushed Rib sabot.

I do plan on hunting in Colorado for elk myself this year (got my licence plane tickets, car rental etc, ready to go), but I am shooting a Savage in 1st rifle season--my only reason it is my newest gun and I like he Smokeless experience. My bullet is the .458 (again a 45/70 bullet) 300g Barnes Origonal using a Crushed rib sabot. I wanna use the Savage for the extra downrange power, I am shooting about 2400 fps with 67g of 4198. Anyway, the .458 bullets are geat in the Savage, all the .452 bullets are way too loose, and in the Savage too loose means misfire (and I have tried most of the ML bullets). In the Omega, that doesn't happen with 777, but can happen with Blackhorn, since it is very close to Smokeless in terms of ignition.
Best Wishes,
Chap Gleason