Good day to shoot so I shot all day. He is the chronograph data. I shoot an Omega w/thumbhole laminate stock (Free Floating) QLA removed, 4x-12x Swift Premiere Scope, Lead Sled w 25lbs, 82 yrds. Var-Flame Primers . I used T7 (blue) patches and a dry patch between shots. I got some real good groups from a couple of loads. Ran out of bullets and time to verify the best loads. I’ll post some accuracy or targets info when I get more time.

T7 FF Powder Grains
Bullet GrType100120140
175Duplex Dead Center 2025 2327
180QT 2051 2194 2326
195Duplex Dead Center 1988 1989
200Dead Center 19812163 2238
300Hornady SST 1820

These are excellent numbers for the PR Dead Centers, would love to see your groups. Guess you going for a 200 yard gun. I suggest you try also a Parker Ballistic Extreme (also Traditions markets them and they are cheaper at MidSouth Shooter Supply) and
also the Barnes TMZ 290g. Here is a link to the PBE:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00139A1823

Chap Gleason

My goal is to hit a 4"circle at 200 yrds., first shot field conditions. Most of my muzzle loading hunting is open field and mostlydoes. I have a couple of groups that will work I think. It was interesting that the double sabots slowed down the bullet. I assume because of the extra sabot. I am trying to figure the best way to post and organize the targets. I have dial-up Internet. What is the best way to put a table in? I tried a couple different ways but the table got messed up when I preview it. I am still think about a .45 but I called around different companies and it looks like they are scaling down on the .45’s.

I wanted to do the same thing, and I bought a Savage. The Savage will shoot that far no problem, if you shoot a high power powder, it is easy with either a Parker Ballistic Extreme, a SW or a Barnes TMZ. Look over here and start reading some of the content and you will see what I mean:

http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&page=1

For example this was a 185 yard shot, with a 250g Remington HP bullet:
http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&action=display&thre ad=1200884056

You can see me choosing my first bullet, which I hunted with this year and shot 1 buck and 7 does, the Parker Ballistic Extreme 275g:

http://www.the-gleasons.com/Parker_Ballistic_Extreme_275g_2007_07_21_AA5744_44 g_WinchesterPrimer_default%20sabot.jpg

http://www.the-gleasons.com/Parker_Ballistic_Extreme_275g_2007_09_03_AA5744_44 g_WinchesterKleenborePrimer_default%20sabot.jpg

I shot this group the 3rd time I shot the rifle, best group I ever shot in my life:

http://www.the-gleasons.com/TC_Shockwave_300g_2007_06_02_AA5744_44g_FederalPri mer_default%20sabot.jpg

Here is my complete setup:
http://www.the-gleasons.com/this_is_my_savage_10_ml_page.htm

There are several rifles that will shoot 200 yards with the right bullet and the right charge. 250g SW, Barnes TMZ 250gin a Triumph, an Omega or a Knight Long Range Hunter will do it no problem.

Chap Gleason

bowbender6

I guess I am not quite so fancy - have not done a lot of 200 yard shooting but last summer I had the Remington 700ML out - for the specfic reason to shoot 200 yards. I was at an outside range in Elk River shooting up a draw with very light cross winds blowing from my left to the right.

This target was shot with 110 grains of T7-2f, Remington 209-4 primer and a plain old Speer .452/250 grain Gold Dot. I was shooting off a portable bench and bags... Shooting a Remington SS 700ML with 26" barrel, 3x9x40 Bushnell Elite 3200 with a ballistic reticule.

Unpredictable deer - while I was shooting and in between shots these two deer decide to go across the range and down to the stream on the left... they must have been really thirsty...

Hmmm, if this can be done at 200 with open sights then someone should be able to post a 2.5" group at 200 with a scope...or better.
..and yes, the range has been lazered. Let's see those pictures.

Hawken 50 w/GM 1:28
90 RS
200 xtp 10mm
4 shot group 4.875"



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That is really great shooting yeoman, I just bought a Green Mountain barrel for my FL, it came yesterday. However it is the short 21" carbine barrel. I am sure it will shoot 100 accurately with open sights. 1:28 twist. Chap

I have been looking at the Savage also. It is not legal in Michigan during ML season with smokeless powder.. There is still some debate on this and I htink there is a bill in the legislature to legalize. If it becomes legal I will get one.Haven't find any gun dealer in Southern Mich that has one. Gander Mountain said they will NOT carry them (liability?). I have a brandnew Remington 870 Express combo that Iwon and I think I am going to seel it and put the money towards a Savage or other ML.Don't really need another ML. I am just getting my Omega tuned, but it seems like it is fussier about bullets, likes the shorter bullets, which isnot as good for longer ranges.I should get the targets posted by Thursday. There was some interesting differences when I changed from Vari-Flame Primers to T7 primers.

Gleason.chapman - it must be quite a challenge to shoot a FL with great accuracy. I guess you become so accustomed to the flash-in-the-pan that it becomes second nature to block that out? I've never fired one. I am impressed with the GM barrel I bought. Do you think there are slight differences between barrels which are specked the same by a manufacturer? Enough to produce a variance in shooting results? Will you be giving the new barrel a bore paste treatment followed by seasoning before you shoot it? Sabotloader had a good post on the procedure about this time last year. I followed his procedure. Maybe he still has that. Good luck with it. I look forward to seeing some results posted here.

I am not that accurate a FL shooter, I have gotten 1 deer with mine. The Barrel I had on the gun was a 1:48 TC barrel, it was accurate at 50 yards with 300g Gold Dots, but I wanted a lighter shorter barrel. I am not as concerned about accuracy with the short barrel FL, so I will not do all the JB bore paste etc. I got to return the stock to TC, I noticed last night when I fitted the new barrel that the wedge pin hole on the LHS of the rifle is completely punched out, so I have to get that repaired. Will send the stock back to TC this weekend. So it will be late spring before I start shooting it. I hope to shoot it a lot more, because I am not that great a FL shooter. Chap Gleason