Dominick, The sabot fitting right is very important to accuracy, and safty, to loose and it woll not only be inaccurate but can move up the barrel and create a barrel obstruction, the MMP12 and the MMP HPH 12 usually fit over size barrels like on the Knight and the White the MMP HPH 24is made to fit .451 and .452 in a .500 barrel and usally fits TC barrelthough I often us a crush ribuntill they are broke in [ first 100 to 200 shots].
I keep several different sabot available and when I purchase a new gun I take out the breach plug scrub and brush the barrel real good [ In case there are any burrs] andpush different combinations through, a tighter fit than most people like is what has always shot good groups for me; but don't get me wrong because if they are totight to load smooth then they are not going to shoot good they have to be just on the tight side of a happy medium; the exception to this is conicals like the Real bullets, Sabor Tooth, power belt and maxie ball They load and shoot different and some people are stuck with them because of the laws. Some people try to say that the TC inlines wont shoot them but I experimented with them for a while and I dont knpw why they say that I have quite a few TC gun several being inlines and I have no problem getting them to shoot 3 or 4 different conicals each, so I think that likly just a rumor the compitition started. Lee

Don't forget about the Barnes bullets all three are great, I currently shoot the Spitfire because I read somewhere (chuckhawks site I think) that they are slightly smaller and easier to load in the tight bored Omega/Encore. They are still plenty tuff to load (I personally can't tell that they are any easier to load-I usually look like this while loading [:@]) but shoot great.

Some guys like 300 grainers and others 250 grainers, I myself am a 250 man for deer. My spitfires I think are 245gr. with a BC of .203

I started out with shockwaves and still shoot them at the range, they group really well in my gun. But I think if I were to buy some for hunting I would get the bonded ones (blue tip). Shot a doe with a regular SW there was an exit but not a big one and the wound channel was littered with fragments, it did the job but I prefer a bullet that will hold together.

I have no experience with the Speer GDHP but have seen some impressive pics of recovered bullets and alot a people on here seem to really like them.

Here is a buck I took year before last with a Barnes Spitfire 245 (didn't sqeeze the trigger last year)

Nice buck Nole! I guess the fun to muzzleloading is in the experimentation. Thanks for all the info.

Gleason, are you shooting smokeless in the Savage. I would buy that gun in a heartbeat if smokeless powder was legal where I hunt.

Thanks Dom, with Muzzleloading the experimentation never seems to end.....got try me some of them 'crush rib' sabots I assume you can't use them with boattails like the Spitfire and TMZ...hmm....think I've still got some Expanders laying around here somewhere.....

BTW..every once in a while your lucky enough to spend your hard earned money on something that exceeds your expectations and later think 'I'm really glad I bought that, that was money well spent' My Omega was one of those.

Yes. I am shooting AA 5744 in my Savage. I have tried 4198 but I have ignition problems with it. I shoot a Parker Ballistic Extreme 275g with an MMP12 sabot (not supplied, they ship with the 24s and they are too loose). I agree 100% with what Lemoyne said and sabots and testing them for "just tight enough", it makes a huge difference. Chap Gleason

I shoot a Knight DISC and love it. I bought it about 5-6 years ago and fell in love with it from the first shot. The gun store I work at has a few frequent visitors who are die hard BP shooters and a few shoot traditional BP rifles as well as inlines. T/C sems to be VERY popular. As a matter of fact I sold a Triumph today and I like how it feels in hand. But I am really interested in the CVA Electra and it is on my Christmas list. UNLESS the Knight KP1 arrives soon.
My knight likes the heavier bullets over 100g of Pyrodex if its any consolation.
Oh, my Knight has 2 safety's. One standard safety switch and one on the rear of the bolt. essentially the bolt safety prevents the primer from being struck if the hammer falls. It backs out the firing pin. That may not be a technically accurate description, but thats pretty much what happens.

I believe Barnes are great bullets. I intend to shoot a Barnes next year IF IT WILL FLY in my SAVAGE either the Spitfire MZ 300g, the 45-70 Triple shock or the 275g XPB .452 pistol bullet. My first choice is the .45-70 triple shock, since it has a highter ballistic coefficient and available in 300g, which is my choice for deer (big deer-anything will kill a small deer). I have tried the TMZ and the Knight Untimate Slam, which is an Xbullet. Both were not that accurate in my gun. I may have to shoot a different sabot to get the good groups. That is a Feb, March and April thing. Chap Gleason

hey Chap,the Spitfires might fit a little loose in that Savage, can you use the MMP12 with them? I would mind trying out some of those Parkers myself, the ballistics gel results on that other site were impressive.

That is what I am going to try, a Spitfire MZ 285g with the MMP12 sabot, since I believe they are flat based on the bottom. I like the Parkers, but have now heard some fragmentation issues with them on bone hits, that is why I want to go to a Barnes, stronger bullet with better penetration capability. They retain 100% of weight on must shots. Beautiful buck.

As a note several of the people over on Doug's Savage Board shoot Barnes TMZ 290g and they get them a hair bigger by taking a couple of files and rolling the bullet in it. It roughs it up a bit and makes it .001 bigger in the sabot and that gives it the grip to the sabot to be more accurate. I prefer not to do that, but it might come to that, after I do some testing.
Chap

Chap, You could always shoot em out of your Omega

Hey Dom, did you ever decide?