Okay after my chat with Sabotloader and following his instructions I am a lot closer to being happy with my muzzleloader. I took it out yesterday and shot, A LOT! I have a sore shoulder to prove it! Anyways I found out that the 777 isn't going to work for me however I have another gun it seems to work in so I am good there. I ended up with around 90 grains of fff Goex and I plan on going out again later with some Pryodrex Select here in a few days. I started to run a spit patch down the barrel after every shot and then one dry. My groups were about 1 1/2 and with the occasional flintch. Since I was getting tired. This all done at 100 yards and a some what steady picnic table to shoot off of.

Where I am at is trying to get the bullet to hit 2" high at 100 and not hit 1 1/2 low at a 100 since this is where I left off. I ran out of bullets and probally shot 40 to 60. Tried several loads and I am happy with 250 SST and 90 g fff Goex. Still need to do a little tweaking and hopefully I can get what I would like to achieve. When I switched to the Goex I was shooting around 4 to 5 inches lower than with the 777 along with out the recoil. The other thing I found out is my trigger is really stiff. Even the guy with me was really surprised that I was holding as good as group as I was. With that said I need to figure out how to get it adjusted with out sending it back to the MF.

All in all, thanks Sabot Loader and I appreciate your help.

River Rat

What rifle do you have?

Wow, that's a lot of shooting for one day. Keep at it. You will get it just the way you want.

Sounds like you have it going in the right direction. My solution for a stiff trigger is to work some powdered moly into the contact points of the trigger, i.e. trigger to sear to hammer.I use a wood toothpick to get it in there.This reduces the friction at those points and after a number of shots tends to polish it somewhat. On one of my guns it reduced the felt trigger pull by almost half. There is also a product, I think by Birchwood Casey, that is a spray type moly lube that others have had good luck with. Good luck with it.

I have the Winchester Apex.

Sealed trigger mechanism so there is probably very little you can do with it. You might contact CVA and see if they can help.

I took the trigger out of my son's Apex and put some moly on the mating surfaces. It wasn't that hard actually, the only thing you need to watch out for is the trigger spring, it could come out if you move the trigger wrong. It seems to have helped some. Your other option is to send it in to BPI and let them do it, I think they may do it for the cost of shipping, you would just lose the time it takes to get it done.