I shoot 5/8" all the time and from all distances, with or without a scope. We are talking, per hole, right?

I never said that. 5/8" is a 3 shot group fired @ 100 yards. Shorter distances group even better. Now with scope, thats a whole new ball game. I measure from the farest bullet hole.

cascade, you just having something against me and my winchester. I know you shoot a white and so do a few others on here, and ive seen better target pics than what i normally put up. Then we have outdoorslover saying he shoots 3/4" groups @ 100 yards. Do you believe that? Do i believe that? Anything is possible when you take your time and work up the proper load. As for me, Im going out now to sight in my .45 sidelock. This shoots 2" groups @ 150 yards BTW. Ive also done work to the stock to get these groups, so , shes " Custom" built

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OK.... I am all ears explain to me your 5/8"@ 100 - I really do not understand...

Here you do not use the word group

Here you do use the word "groups"

And here you say "3 shot grouping"

Since you are shooting a conical from your X-150 - i assume that one shot is going to make a 4/8" hole - that leaves 1/8th for the next two

In this one you do not say range but I really do not care what the range is one shot is 1/2" so all the rest of the shots have to be through the same hole???

This is your reply to Branson and to me that says 5/8" Group @ 100 with a conical. Are you saying 5/8 inches from one hole to the next???

It does make people wonder.... or is my math off - I have already been wrong twice today might as well go for three

I don't have anything against you or your Winchester. I just don't believe you shoot 5/8" groups consistently. Maybe you do, but I would have to see it to believe it. Didn't you just post a week or two ago that you needed glasses very bad? If your glasses aren't perfect, there ain'tno way you are goingto shoot a 1"group. Even if you were shooting with a scope, I would still have a tough time believing it.

I don't know who you are talking about posting targets better than yours. I certainly have never shot a 1" group without a scope and haven't seen too many targets on here that are close to a 5/8" group. I don't think I have heard of anybody on here claiming those kind of groups consistently.

And I don't remember Outdoorslover claiming a 3/4" group. At one time, he was calling BS on people claiming 2" groups or something like that.

When the weather gets in the 90's thats when it starts to suffer and will open up a little over an inch. Does amazing when the weather goes under freezing but thats to hard to shoot. frozen hands and fingers. As for glasses, i'll be needing them again soon. The targets get blurry once the light starts to go down but on the other hand, that may be a good thing for hunting.

All the talk of 5/8" groups, I was going to answer this, maybe I will
sometime.
Redclub

look up the reviews from actual buyers of the winchester apex. most are getting 1" groups right out of the box with a conical. a few ive seen reporting 3/4" groups with open sights. It is possible to shoot great with open sights with a winchester. You dont need a knight, white or any other brand to get excellent groups with a conical.

I am new here, and just now going back to ML hunting for the first time in years since a back injury last year put a permenantend to my bow hunting. I tried the 385's in my CVA inline and they were all over the place, only went up to 80 grains of powder since CVA doesnt recommend bulluts over 300 grains in there rifles, I didnt want to push my luck.

300 grains is for a sabot. 400 grain is the "limit" for conicals.

Thanks for the heads up, I went and found the manuel, and you are right. Time to go burn more powder.