I have, and they do.

Cayugad - why the "2 wads" noted on your targets?

I use very thin wads compared to the other White shooters. Many of them buy the 1/8th wads and just use one. I do the thinner wads in the event that one wad might shoot better then two. I have found the normally I get better accuracy with two of the 1/16tth thick wads I shoot. But you never know. Also I got them cheap at TOTW.

I see.

SL is correct about Wilson and Clerke barrels being the manufacturers forthe majority ofWhite rifles, but some early ones were Green River Rifle Works, some Douglas, some ?, then came the Wilsons, then the Clerkes, and just for a very few of the most recently made specimens - Criterion (make Weatherby barrels).

The barrels from the different vendors areslightly different so far as crowns, number of lands/grooves, and even barrel tolerance values. There are even a few rare piecesthat have 12-groove barrels. My preference is the Clerkes - the crown ismore a funnel shape and not so picky about initial alignmentas are the Wilsons withtheir recessed target crown(IMHO). The Ultra Mags all have Clerke barrels so far as I know.



Wilson left, Clerke right

The Wilsons have the advantage if comparing barrel to barrel dimensional consistency - but no apparent advantage accuracy-wise.

Interesting. I spent a while last night looking for Wilson and Clerke. Clerke is in New Mexico, Clerke International, though I couldn't determine they make any MZ barrels today. Couldn't find Wilson at all. They come and they go.....

They aren't really "muzzleloader" barrels - they are essentially centerfire barrels used in muzzleloaders. I think that is what accounts for the .410, .451, .504, and .540 caliber markings. They are bored and rifled as if for centerfire, example would be that a .451 White could be wearing the same barrel (with breechplug threads instead of a chamber)that might be used for a .458 Winchester in another life.

http://www.blackpowderjournal.com/archives/vol3no1/articles/BPJ31-2.htm

link to an old article about a boar hunt with White G-series rifles. One participant in the hunt was "Gumby", the designer of the original G-series White. Pretty interesting read for White owners and those considering trying to obtain one.

23,000 psi. That was an extremely modest and ultra-conservative number - actually too much so. One only has to read the Browning test reports on an MTI model White 97 to be convinced those barrels willeasily handle FAR MORE pressure than was claimed in that article.

Goat Brother/Smurf/Gary take note of the number of the figures in Table? 2. Might want to point that out to Doc.

To all

UC is really being a bit modest here as he discusses barrel pressure on/in a White barrel, he has seen the pressure test results from from the Utah labs and knows the numbers, so when he says... 23,000 psi. That was an extremely modest and ultra-conservative number - actually too much so.He is being modest himself and I am sure he has had the same conversations with Doc as I have had about load pressure and what the White will handle and what it won't.

While I suspect the White is one of the strongest rifles on the market.. no matter what is discussed behind closed doors among friends. Remember, no matter what make of rifle you shoot... follow the recommendations of the manufacturer found in the rifle's manual for safe levels of load recommendations and powder brands thatyour rifle is designed to handle. Combine that information with common sense and you should have a safe and wonderful shooting experience.

That Browning test report is a good read. Talk about a tourture test.