Hmmm - this is starting to look like one of those, "I love(brand x)", "I hate(brand x)" threads

Kinda looks like different strokes for different folks, eh?

IM jaybe

Just so it's clear where I am on discussions like this...it is none of my business what anybody else uses for anything and I never try to tell someone else they "should do this" or they "should do that", etc...I just post what my personal experience has been and leave it at that.

What I will do however, is introduce somereality and balancewhen I see a post that isslamming a product when I know from long term personal experience the slamming is incorrect...many times "products" are blamed for things that are really end user "process" problems.

So there's no product love / hate in my posts...people can use rabbit feet to clean their bores if they like...I just clarifiedthat the product #13 does not "cause rust"...if it did, surely in 15+ years of continuous useI would have noticed it by now and dropped it like a hot potato.

kevin,great. you ever sit in hollow at 5 above zero, wind blowing from 6 am to 5pm,day in day out and sometimes 5 below zero. i have from 1971 with a hawkins.trust me, you dont want bore butter or #13 in that bore then.stick with the hoppes as roundball said.

When I was a bore butter user,honestly, I hunted many days in sub zero weather and never had any problems with it. Of course most the time if I was needing todo anyshooting, it was one time, then the dragging took place.

same here but i do miss,ha. if i load hawkins at home on cold day, no problem as you said,but to load for second shot, thats where problem was for me.so, if you load at home and dont miss, bore butter is fine but if you miss or emty gun for reason and reload, its not very nice thing to do.it may be fine but with rb at 5 above, oh my.maxi-balls are better to in cold but still hard.you can put your next load in your pocket inside your coat and it stays warm. that works on bore butter.if bore butter gets cold, its not very nice.thats why i went to hoppes patch lube now.just 1 thing you dont have to worry about.that was all my point was,it may be fine for most to use in cold, heck, i did for years but now i dont.

I want to apologize to roundball: I didn't mean to put words in your mouth ("love, hate"). I know that your decision to use a product or not is not an emotional decision, but one based on what works best for you - and you have many years of experience to draw from.
What I intended to convey by that was the fact that different people have such different results/experiences with the same product. Whether it's the climate, or how it's applied, or whatever - it works great for one person and horrible for the next. Really interesting, and shows that we can get advice from others, but we really have to try it ourselves to see how it works for us.
My own experience with BB was not good. After putting my gun away with it in the bore, I could run a clean pathch through, and it would come out brown.

Heck, no apology necessary...I was just clarifying that I wasn't saying "my way is best", etc

We don't get a lot of temps like that here in sheltered little Southern Indiana , but I've hunted the few days that we've had like that with no problems . Of course , it may be because I keep my paw on the barrel around the ball to keep it warm . I like simple solutions , don't you ?

Used right and with round ball or breakaway sabot in a seasoned barrel it works really good; with the type sabot most people are using know you are not supposed to lube so you can't have a seasoned barrel there for BB just don't fit the program. I have some guns in which I use it for all shooting like my 4 hawkens and my underhammerand the thunderhawk [uses breakaway sabots and my Rugar black powder But it has never touched my System One or Omega. Lee

jaybe, from 1971 i used bore butter to store and shoot. never rust i could see.i used warm water/soap or #13.never a brown patch.then,last year i started using HOT WATER, REAL HOT.guess what, i started getting brown patch as you said.sooooooooooooooo,hmmmmmmmmm.