In spite of most of what has been written in regards to the Genesis, I still think there is some hope for the stainless version to be a decent rifle. Those pics make that "blued" version look Parkerized and the receiver? section does NOT look painted as it did in earlier pics... but thatcould be just the lighting.

Can't say I really understand the use of a cross-bolt safety on a hammer gun. Guess Marlin could tell me (lawyers, yeah ah know).

I could have a ball trying to find a scope mount arrangement that would work!

I'm not much of an inline guy but they are guns and I like guns so I read some of the threads about them. I've seen postings on other boards about the Remington and one thing seems to be missing, at least here, a report by someone who actually owns one and has shot it would be nice.

The gun might be pure junk, or a diamond in the rough but until I hear from some owners I'll reserve judgement.

Doug

I think Remington took some steps backwards in developing this ML. That is so not like them, seems like some more time in R&D could have made this thing look more presentable. Who knows may shoot ok, I'm just not going to be the one to find out. They do such an outstanding job on their centerfires, I think I would have stayed with somthing along the lines of a M97 White like some of you have bought and put it in a Remington stock and offer all three ignition systems with it. Oh well, maybe they can do better

For aesthetics I give it a -1500. What a butt-ugly gun..[:'(]
Could end up being one heck of a shooter, though...

The same Spanish firm that produces the Remington Genesis also produces a slightly altered flavor of the same rifle badged the Yukonfor Traditions. The swing block design itself is not new, 1800's in fact. However, one must wonder if this will be prove to actually improve anything or just be "different".

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Browse.asp?Category=Muzzleloaders%3A+Yukon+Brop% 2DBreech+Action+%28In+Lines%29

For me personnally, I'll pass on the Genesis/Yukon as I don't care for the looks and ergonomics. Plus, I just can't see where the swing block is going to be all that and a bag of chips. Well see. Who knows, the thing just might end up being a quirky but reasonably priced tack driving wonderstick.

Either way, I am at least glad that it's here as more ML's in the marketare a better thing. And some folks may like it and thats fine. Choice is good.

I just wish that Remington would not have mothballed the Rem700ML. I love mine. I sort of expected more from Remington than the Genesis. Something more original and produced here in America would have been nice.

M2C

Tahquamenon

TQ

Very well written and I agree - thank you... It is really nice to have someone present a straight forward complete view.

You could get my 700's from me, but I guess I did expect more, but I believe price is driving the whole market.

In any case, they are starting to show up at dealers https://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_prod.php?product_id=430262&cat_id=10& subcat_id=89&PHPSESSID=061e6190fe359ccf7962047 06b8d762c&PHPSESSID=061e6190fe359ccf796204706b 8d762c

My guess is we'll see them at about 1/2 to 2/3 of that price within a few months.

Wow UC, for $409?

Traditions Yukon/Genesis starts at:




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Yukon Drop-Breech Muzzleloaders The Yukon is the next generation of muzzleloading rifles! This new innovative design uses a Drop Breech Action which is so simple that even your brother-in-law can use it.

Product Code: R4000

Our Price: $155.00







Yukon Drop-Breech with 3-9x32 Scope The Yukon is the next generation of muzzleloading rifles! This new innovative design uses a Drop Breech Action which is so simple that even your brother-in-law can use it.

Product Code: R4000-S3

Our Price: $205.00







Yukon Drop-Breech Muzzleloaders The Yukon is the next generation of muzzleloading rifles! This new innovative design uses a Drop Breech Action which is so simple that even your brother-in-law can use it.

Product Code: R4106

Our Price: $209.00

If I wanted one, I'd have to consider the Traditions version for half the price.

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I may have flubbed up. (Now that's a first! [:-])

Looks like the Traditions Yukon breech "drops" down versus swinging out of the way.I swear to pete,the initial press release fromTraditions hadthe breech swung out of the way.

They must have tweaked the design to drop the breech and let Remington have the "torch cam" breech or whatever they call it.

Traditions is 24" barrel, Remington is 28".

Either way, they are both made by the same firm in Spain.

Yep - I'm bettin about half that pricefor the rifle in a few months.....unless it proves tobe farmore than some have suggested. Nope, the Yukon has been a drop-thingy all the while. They've both kind of had my interest. I DO like the OLD concept of that "action" style and believe that, while the Spanish-made versions may be lacking, the "action" itself could be very workable. Sort of in line with the KISS principle for inlines.

Don't see why that rotating block couldn't be made to just pivot to the side rather than up and in an arc that interferes with scopes.