Hunt with the most accurate combo you can obtain before your season. If it's WIN Primers, 777 pellets and the dirty barrel, then go with that for now. At least you know what to expect. I never hunt or group shots on a fouled bore, but sometimes you need to go with what is known and you can count on until you figure out what shoots best with your particular rifle.

I believe you are experiencing "so what bullet combo and procedureis accurate with pellets"? issue. Ever trying different bullets that will print with two 50 grain pellets. They (powder manufacturers) really did the ML community a disservice by coming up with the pellet in my view. Because then because of fixed charge configurations (if you are using both30 and 50 grain pellets or a combination thereof),your load choices are for hunting are limited to: 80,90,100,120,130,140,150 grain. This leaves folks sometimes wasting money on buying different bullets to find the magic one that shoots with two pellets.

I would strongly suggest switching to loose powder in 3FG flavor. Hodgdon 777, Black Mag'3 or Swiss Black Powder. You may find that an 5 grains either way brings in your accuracy with a given projectile and you just can't dial best shooting loads with pellets. You also will need a powder flask and a decent brass measure in 5 grain increment and some speed loaders for loose powder. Perhaps you cannot do this prior to your hunt season, but I would "go loose" as soon as you can.

Also, make sure you are allowing enough time for the barrel to cool down inbetween shots. As your barrel heats up, it can shift your POI and also affect accuracy.

Good luck,

Tahquamenon

what if I try the TC maxi hunters loook like a good middle ground bullet 275grain???would this be a good load for 100 grain charge I am gonna try to get some loose powder my local gun shop is crap, only have pellets, dont really carry alot of ML stuff so I am gonna have tot go to BP shops...basically my problem is just finding the right load, does anyone for see it beeing anything else? something more serious? I hope not...like I said the shot at 80yard mark are hitting the 6-7 inch kill zone just not grouping some lower higher left right, etc but all in the zone, I mean for hunting withing 80yards I am confident I want better though, and should be getting better I just hope its just working up a load and nothing more serious..

If you are going to switch to a Maxi-Hunter or Maxi-ball then also get some wonderwads in 50 or 54 caliber. The wad will help protect the base of the conical when fired.

Another thingabout conicals. Many are rifling engaged some are slip fit. The T/C Maxi's are rifling engaged and take a bit of practice to get them loaded correctly and consistantly. Meaning that when you load them you need to thumb start them and then give them a short "smack" with a short starter. What you need to do is get the conical to "cut" into the rifling. Otherwise you could end up pushing them over the rifling and you can tell instantly as they will almost always key-hole down range.

Here is what I would suggest that will be the easiest loading thing to try:
Hornady Great Plains 385gr Conical. These are slip fit. Load your charge, then load the bullet.
Or
See if you can get at least 295 but rather 348 or 410 grain Powerbelt slip-fit conicals. Now, I don't personnally care for powerbelts, but in heaver weights they are very easy to load and should hammer your game down range. Just remove the gas check base of the powerbelt and apply a little dab of bore butter to the base of the bullet and replace the gas check. This does help the gas check separate from the bullet.

I really am reluctant to send you off looking for different loads so close to your hunting season. If you can get your hands on a loose powder setup that would be ideal. Or give a heavier conical a try with two of the pellets.

Best of luck!

Tahquamenon

ok I got some good news I just called and my gun shop just got a few contatiners of trip 7 powder, now my question while working my load up, knowing triple 7 is 15% stronger then pyrodex whats the maximum charge I can put in my rifle with it incase I must do so to get better groups, manual says up to 120 loose and 150 pellets?

I personally do not like to go over 110 grains of Triple Se7en in my rifles, but if we go by your standards, then you would be around 100 grains total. It will be interesting to see if a change of powder makes a big difference. Sometimes it is the simple thing that makes a rifle start to shoot well.

[&:]I also wonder at those who seem to have to use pellets,sticks or what have you over loose propellant. So Ya think the pellets are faster to load in a hunting seniro. With preloaded canisters (for a lack of a better word) you just flip a top off and pour the powder in the bore. That way if your rifle shoots the best with 86 grains of what ever so be it, it is in your canister. If it were to shoot best with 105 grains then you can have that too.
Money tight??? and can't afford to buy quick load canisters try some small pill bottles. I wrap mine in a bit ofpaper towel and carry them in a small box (center fire bullet box) , just tear one end and pour that simple.

150gr 777 pellets= about 127.5 grains of loose FFG Your manual says 120gr maxloose BP orPyrodexso stick with that.

120gr reduced by 15% for 777 2Fg = 102 grains max

Now for the 3FG reduction.
If you are shooting FFFG (3FG) then you need to reduce another 10% for the smaller grains of powder (burns more rapidly).

About 90 grains will be your max 3FG load.

Based on the loading limits of your rifle, I would go with FFG (2FG) versus 3FG to give yourself a wider range of loads.

well tommorow I am gonna try tripple 7 loose with 250 sst's, 240 TC cheap shots,250 TC bonded shockwaves, and powerbelts 295's aero tip, the only ones I have not tried with pellets (pyro or 777) are the powerbelts, for some reason I have a gut feeling the powerbelts are gonna perform (cause I didnt want to use them in the first place) if thats the case soo be it, I may also try some nosler's 250's (the jim shockey promo pack) heck you get 30 sabots and a free DVD why not, I would love to try the 300 grain versions but nobody has them near me, I am interested in nosler bullets after watchin Jims video smokin everything with them..