Triple Se7en.. you shock me. My goodness ... such blasphemy. Sell a rifle. That's unheard of in my house. You are right though. I've actually had this same discussion a number of times reference all my centerfire rifles that I have not shot in many many years, not to mention the shotgun collection. And we will not even get into the handgun issues. I should say I listened to that conversation a number of times. Good thing I never pay attention.

I actually did sell a rifle this year to my brother. It bothered me so bad, I thought about buyingit back. And you're right, many of the black powder rifles sit in the rack and are not shot sometimes for a couple weeks. I do think there are some that could go to a good home... [&o]

By the way I took your advise and bought a Sightron Scope. What a sweet scope that is. I can see why you liked them. The clarity if excellent. On this new inline I will not scope the rifle. In our black powder season you can not use magnified optics. So this way I have an open sighted inline, and one with a RED DOT and way too many sidelocks and flintlocks to choose from.

Glad to hear you can convert it for the RED discs. If you have the one that shoots the orange discs, buy up every orange disc you can find or you might end up like me last yr. shot all mine up at the range, day before hunt. figured i would pick up some new discs on the way out of town.I knew the new gun shot red discs but got a big surprise when i went to my main sporting goods store and they said OHH we dont carry the orange ones any more. I went to 5 different stores around and couldnt find one disc. Finally stopped at last chance and the guy didnt have any more to sell but luckily shot the same gun and had some n his glove box and gave me 5 --- that saved the day. My trip was delayed 5 hrs as i drove around with the truck packed trying to find those darn things. I ended up ordering some. a 5 yrs supply but now i think i will convert it.

I also shoot a Knight DISC .50 and my loads are 2 (100 gr.) Pyrodex pellets with a 265 gr. Swift A-Frame sabot. Don't shoot much past 100 yds, but it's a tack-driver at 100.

I have not gotten the rifle yet and had no chance to look over these disks you speak of, but what is the difference between the "orange" and the "red" discs? I see that Natchez has them stocked but I will not order any until I am sure of what style they are. Since a person can reload them a couple times, a few hundred should last quite a while you would thing.

The first load I want to try are the Barnes Expanders in 250 grain. I think with the extra barrel length on this I can push them to about 120 grains of Triple Se7en. If I can work up a accurate load at that level then I would think anything I want to hunt would be in serious trouble.

I also want to try some of the .451 Barnes 250 grain Casull. They are the same as the Expander but have a few differences. One of course it the price..

Excellent load cayugad.

The orange are the older actually disc's. They pretty well just drop in and sit there. I don't believe they waterproof your loads. In other words, if you dunked the whole gun in a bath, water could get pass the disc and into your powder. But like when does that happen anyway? But I guess thats the big commercial knight has. The red are basically not a disc but slides over a nipple on the breech plug to water proof your rifle.

A 209 expands them. And that will change your ignition I believe. I won't use them more than once. They are just too cheap to worry about it. The first time you fit a primer in them is tough. The second time they slide right in.

Waterproofing rifles... Everyone seems so worried about water proofing rifles. I hunted last winter with my .62 caliber Smoothbore which sits on a T/C Renegade stock and ignites with a #11 cap. While sneaking through the cedar marsh on a hot big track I was crossing the creek and had a sudden urge to go swimming.. Strange things do happen. [:@] After getting up and checking myself over, I noticed the rifle had been submerged.I figured that this load was ruined, so I pulled up on a cedar knot and touched that big cannonoff and drove a roundball through it like it was a sunny Saturday afternoon on the range. It takes a lot more then a few rain drops to stop a 209 primer or even a #11 cap. Now a flintlock might be a different matter.

Yeah.... flintlocks are poor swimmers...lol

You will likely receive the red discs with your rifle... unless Knight upgraded them recently.

The 250 gr. copper-hollow BarnesExpander may be the best bullet in it's class. Only once did I find the 250/300 gr. 25-pkExpander on sale for less than $19.Nobody-ever puts that 250-300 gr.bullet on sale.... there should be a law against that.... lol

Glad you like the Sightron. The best feature of that scope is being at the range & moving from the 50 yard targets to the 100 yard table. After firing the first shot at 100, all you do to check forbullet strike is byturning from 3-power to 9-power..... "no re-focusing necessary".

I sure do wish my Nikon Prostaff did that.The Nikon isanother nice,"won't break your bank"scope ... except for the re-focusing part when changing range table/shooting lengths.

cayugad, I never said it was useful or not useful. Makes sense or never makes sense. You were asking the differences and I tried to aswer as I have had both.

Like I said Triple, I wasn't going to hold my breath

Big Country.. I know you were not claiming it water proof. Just the mention of it made me think of my swim last November and I thought I would share that....

Triple Se7en.. that was one of the first things I noticed in the scope. At 50 yards it was clear as a bell and whenI got back to the 100 I did not have to make any focus adjustment. As for the accuracy of the rifle with the scope I am more then pleased.

I have been thinking of taking the whole works off the Wolverine and mounting it on the Disc Rifle, then use the Wolverine as a little brush rifle with the fiber optics sights on that. I also looked at a Winchester RED DOT at the gun shop. Kind of an impressive field of view in that rascal. But when I asked who made the RED DOT and he said Winchester, I knew he was crazy. I like to know what I am buying before I buy,