bigcountry
I wear steel toed boots and I could notcare less if you or anyone here shootsBB guns during the primitive or any other season. What ever floats your boat. This is SUPPOSED to be an open forum where OPINIONS can be expressed by anyone. I do have some prejudices that I stated which are not changing, but as long as the law allows it;SHOOT IT!!!

I want clarification on this. I canhunt deer in Mississippi witha T/C Encore with a 45/70 cartridgebarrelduring the primitive season. Correct?

Cayugad, I also agree.

For Michigan, smokeless powder is not allowed in muzzleloading season nor is any type of firearmthat is not loaded from the muzzle unless it's a black powder pistol. Black powder or Black Powder Substitutes Only.
However, you can use smokeless powder in your ML if designed for it during our regular firearm season.

Looks like MS has elected to include the 45/70 to also incorporate folks shooting single shot stylesfrom the latter 1800's? And as an extra measure to help reduce and control the herd.

On the smokeless powder off topic during muzzleloading seasons,I'm notfor it but I'm not against someone that legally does either.

Almostall of the muzzleloaders that folks will carry in the field are not designed for smokeless powder use.

So anything regulation wise that allows for smokeless powder to be handloaded in the field in ML seasonswould be inviting more accidents in my view. Sure the regs could say "only if your rifle was designed for smokeless or even go as far as to recommend specific models", but I think the end result would be more folks making mistakes and using smokeless powders in ML's not designed for it.

Which will result in more folks getting killed or injured.

Plus, with smokeless powdersthat really opens up the door for extended lethal ranges far beyond black powder or BP substitutes capabilitieswhich from a safely perspective does not make sense to me.

M2C

Like I said retrieverman,the post wasn't attackingyou or telling you can't exchangeideas. I am all for that. I justalways wondered why I seepeople on all guns forums or even bow forums worry enought to even post, "that a smokeless should not be in this season" or whatever.

I post all the time that I don't think crossbows should notbe allowed in regular bow season. But my reason is selfish. My bow season is pretty nice with very few hunters. People allowed to use crossbows would put more competition out there.

I guess what sparked my question, is I was reading on muzzleloadingforum.com with there new format, and just sit back andlaugh. These guys put so much effort in convincing people that they can kill just as easywith thier lymans flinter, andthenonanother postexplain how using a inline is not fair causeof there performance??? Doesn't make any sense to me other than they are saying anything they can to convince people thatsidelocks or flinters are the only weaponpeople should use.

I myself can't say I have killed any more effective with my inlines or 2000fps loads.

Here is something wecan agree on. I killed 8 deer last year in two states and actually killed more with my Knight than I did my 300 WSM, but that may have been because I carried my Knight more (only 1 was killed during "muzzleloader" season). Of the 8,all were killed within 75 yards andonly 1 took a step after being shot. I put alot more stock in shot placement than the weapon. Both my sons killed their first deer with 64 gr 223's with neck shots. I truly believe that if I hunted with "traditional" equipment that I could kill as many deer as I do usingmy Knight or 300 WSM, and I might just try it.

yep, I hunt mostly state parks where only ML are allowed. So half are with bow, and then 40% are with ML, and then maybe the odd one behind my house with a rifle or sluggun.

That is all I wanted to make clear......thanks for helping me clarify.

You statement is based purely on opinion and has no basis in fact.
You are also prejudiced against a form of propellent based on the people that shoot it.

Thanks for sharing your OPINIONS.

Just a point in fact. The gun Retriever states he is using " the ultimate"wich is aBP substitute muzzleloader, advertises itself as capable of the following.....

I know of no smokeless muzzleloaders shooting projectiles at that distance. Following your logic that would make the BP substitutes the dangerous propellent and the smokeless propellants more desirable from a safety perspective.

Let me makemy position here clear......

For once I actually agree with Bigcountry. I don't care who is shooting what whenever.

However as a smokeless muzzleloading user it is my resposibility to interject when a post contains baseless, false or misleading information about its use.

I made it clear in my first post that I believe that hunters who treat this as a divisive issue are doing the muzzleloading community as a whole a great diservice.

I believe this board supports the honest dissemination of information, and the common goals of hunter freedoms and access. Any posts that seem to run contrary to those goals should be questioned in an understanding manner.