Here is something wecan agree on. I killed 8 deer last year in two states and actually killed more with my Knight than I did my 300 WSM, but that may have been because I carried my Knight more (only 1 was killed during "muzzleloader" season). Of the 8,all were killed within 75 yards andonly 1 took a step after being shot. I put alot more stock in shot placement than the weapon. Both my sons killed their first deer with 64 gr 223's with neck shots. I truly believe that if I hunted with "traditional" equipment that I could kill as many deer as I do usingmy Knight or 300 WSM, and I might just try it.