In your camp, if you have one, perhaps so; however, not so in ours. Probably a difference in definition. No one hunts with us with less than 30-06 power --- period. Some folks that wanted to go with us have “howled” about that rule and that’s okay, we just let’em howl, but it doesn’t help ’em out any as far as their going with us.

Regarding shoulders, IMO they are much larger and run much deeper than just the “blade” area, plus some folks count muscle structure in the definition of "shoulder" and on elk it is quite large. For me, sometimes "shoulders" get in the way of “boiler room trajectory” and sometimes they don’t. The “whitetail broadside pose” sure is pretty and I never turn it down if it's offered, but then again I sure don’t get too hung up on it if it isn’t presented quickly.
I for sure don't waste any extra time "waiting for it".


Regarding the “Texas Heart Shot”, I’ve never taken one in all these years; however, if that was all a wounded elk was showing me right before he was about to make it into cover, then I’d have no qualms about sending one his way (and I know the rifle I use will be up to the challenge of "drilling" him from one end to the other if called upon to do so!)

We cut our own meat in camp and divide it up before everyone goes home, so I’m a bit familiar with meat damage issues; however, the biggest waste of meat I’ve seen is a whole elk rotting away --- unfound by the hunter. Hence, regarding meat loss from shoulder shots, I strive to use sound judgment in weighing that “trade off” versus the success of seizing the opportunity followed by the successful acquisition and retrieval of the animal.

When the action “goes down” and it’s “showtime”, things are not always as clear cut in reality as some simple folk would like to make it sound when they are on the Internet. IMHO, things will vary substantially according to how individual situations unfold.

That is rather difficult to do when folks (such as yourself) keep bumping it back up to the top of the section after days of inactivity. Once it is up there, then I feel free to respond to the post if I so choose.... and so it goes.
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BTW, Ronnie.....

So, does Cabelas or someone else out there make a “Elk Hunting Video Game” for that Sony Playstation you are trying to buy for $85? Somehow, given what I've seen in the last half dozen or so posts, it would just seem so appropriate.


[link]http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.asp?m=1015314&mpage=1&key=?[/link]

elk master the playstation is for my 3 kids! and the oldest if u can remember is 12 and is also a hunter! so u are saying if my 12 year old 76lb. daughter wants to elk hunt in your camp, she will have to shoot a 30-06? that could scare he from guns for the rest of her life! and so we loose another hunter! that is rather stupid! and u do have to learn how to trac game if u want to hunt and have meat to eat! but that is your camp and i think i speak for alot of people on this forum your campmaster rule is STUPID[8D]

It's actually a very good rule, all the punch drunk guys with magnumitis in one place. Might make the woods safe for hunters. The answer too your burnin' question elk camp kitty is I don't think you've ever shot anything with a .270 or maybe even anything else except yore mouth.

Manboy,

A young woman attending our elk camp would have to be accompanied by a parent (that would be you) and both would have to be compatible with our group, so whether your daughter could handle an '06 or not would not matter.... it ain't happening. We're not an outfitter that has to take "any warm body" just to make a living" --- no financial stakes at play in our elk camp.

We did have a young lady this year (13 years and 100 pounds) join us with her 30-06 (and her dad). She got her elk (two fast shots in succession). When we asked her if a double shot of 30-06 was a lot of kick, she looked at us with the greatest of disdain.... "It was no big deal, I'm not a whimp, I didn't feel anything." She did not appear to be particularly scarred nor scared; of course she was a farm girl and IMHO they tend to be a bit tougher stock both mentally and physically than most.




Notice the rifles are damn near (not quite) as tall as she is!

IMHO, if you're not old enough or big enough or tough enough to handle the requisite hardware for elk hunting, then probably best to wait and grow up a bit until you are; otherwise, folks will want to keep "lowering the bar" and will soon want to "talk their way down" to 40 pound kids and .223's.... problem is it still the elk (the one we have a responsibility for....) that has to "take the bullet" and do the dying, so I kinda have a problem with that.

I'm sure you're doing a right fine job representing them.

Ah, Slamfire,

I see you are back for another session of "enter the room, f@rt, and run away" without standing up for anything you say.....

From 9 days ago, the last time you run off.....

So have you figured out what you actually were thinking, or was it a case a tipping a few too many before jumping onto the Internet?
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Any how guys, do you have anything substantive to add?
Personal attack, Slapstick, Trash mouth, Sh!tkicker-itis, etc. is kind of a sign you're kinda running out of anything logical or meaningful to say (thus simply "howling").
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For not liking this thread (you DO know it was meant for the 30-06 plus folks right?), you guys sure are working hard at keeping it up near the top of the Forum Section.....

REFERENCE.... 270's & Elk, 270's & Elk.... I Think I'm Gonna Puke!

This Index....Since the "270 For Elk?" question is never ending and the answers end up being essentially all the same every time it comes around, I started this thread to "round up all the 270 cliches" [270Win that is] that I could in one place and give the "30-06 power and up for elk" folks an easier way to answer the never ending question "270 For Elk?". Feel free to cut and paste any of my posts into the most recent "270 For Elk?" thread so long as you feel what I wrote is appropriate as an answer or response.
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INDEX FOR THIS THREAD FOR:

Folks Who Like To See A Bit More Power For Elk & Are Considering Responding To "270 For Elk?" Threads:

Page 1 (Top) EKM - Why the "disconnect"? Is it even worth the bother trying to "reconnect" them?
****** Part 1: Few Have Experience With Wide Range Of Cartridges AND With Big, Big Game. Many Have Neither!
****** Part 2: Magnums Okay For Geese (Understand Just Fine), Magnums For Elk (They Don't Understand At All)!
****** Part 3: One Elk Camp's Solution After Years Of "270 Experience". (Means 30-06 plus and They're Not Alone.)
****** Part 4: Pretty Emotional Subject --- Takes A Lot Of Time To Write Up Anything Worthwhile, Most Of Your Audience Won't Want To Hear Much Of What You Say, Are You Sure You Even Want To "Discuss" It With Them?
****** Part 5: A Good Alternative To Answering That "270 For Elk?" Thread & You'll Feel Good Too....

Page 5 (Low) EKM - Magnum Shot Placement - Visualize It And Then Put It Right Thru Into The Boiler Room: Any Angle, Any Bone, Any Time!

Page 6 (Mid) SpyroAndes - Its About Being Unhindered By Your Weapon!

Page 7 (Mid) Rather Be Hunting - Dead Is Dead.... Oh, Really? Is That The Whole Story?

Page 7 (Low) BareBackJack - Jack O'Connor's 270 Was His Ultimate SHEEP Rifle! Oops!

Page 8 (Top) EKM - Making Sense Of Rifles: Varmit Rifles, Deer Rifles, Cross-over Rifles, Elk Rifles, Elk Hammers!

Page 8 (Top) EKM - The Response To "Its Not What You've Got, It's How You Use It" line.

Page 8 (Low) RatherBeHunting - Cows and Rags Don't Equal Big Bull Elk, A Bit Different Toughness Factor!

Page 9 (Low) ELKINMTCWB - 270's, You shoot'em, They Run, Someone Else Tags'em, Is That What You Want?

Page 11 (Low) EKM - Other "270 Details" That Just Kinda Don't Quite Add Up:
****** Part 1 - Why Do The “devout 270'ers” turn around and buy….. "Magnums?"
****** Part 2 - Ratchet Factor: Why, Why, Why Do "Magnum Fans" NOT Want To Go Back To The "Good Old Days," Even Though They Own 270's Left Over From The "Good Old Days"?
****** Part 3 - The Bias Factor: As Time Goes On, "Some Folks Just Can’t Handle Their "Magnums" Anymore!"

Page 12 (Mid) Jeep4x4 - Case In Point (Experience): Using Elk Hunting Shows As The Source Of One's Information!

Page 15 (Top) NVMIKE - 270's: Where There's Smoke, There Is Likely To Be Some Fire....

Page 17 (Bottom) Hunter_59 - More Where There's Smoke, There Is Likely To Be Some Fire....

[This same index is posted at the top of the first post of the first page.]

God, I'm glad that I am a bowhunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

elkampmaster....
i was pretty much staying out of this, even though i dont agree with ya, im cool with your opinion, right up until the part of how in your opinion we should not take young hunters elk hunting until they are big or tough enough to handle what you feel is the requisite gun for elk. wow are you conceited. i guess you must be the elk god or something, all knowing and all powerful. your probably right about that too, theres no way a smaller framed 12 year old, armed witha .270 that they have practiced for months with, could ever even dream of taking down one of your mighty elk. even a well placed bullet would be no match for the beasts strength. if not letting them hunt discourages them, and then never do pick it up, it was worth it because at least they didnt use a rifle that, although has taken numerous bulls over the years, YOU don;t approve of.

ill go call all of the local elk hunters i know and demand they through down their .270s, and pray to you for repentence......

i guess it is your opinion, and your entitled to it, but its wrong

brad

Brad,

You are right, it is my opinion, it is prefaced with IMHO (which means you DON'T have to accept it as your gospel), and it is consistent with what we actually do in our elk camp, and yes the young lady was up to the task on several counts:
**She was "in it" for 8 days, no whining about wanting to go home,
**She was tough enough to keep going even though she aggravated a knee injury.
**She was tough enough to take the cold and the elements,
**She was mature enough to sit and wait quietly day after day,
**She was capable of handling a capable rifle (one that many folks here would imply "she couldn't.")

IMHO, kids are more of a grey zone and one has to balance their "I can/want to do it" enthusiasm against what you know they (and the game) will be challenged with. I saw a kids that "talked his way" into going on his dad's elk hunt and before it was over the kid considered it the "trip from hell" and ended burned out on hunting and don't hunt to this day.

I'm thinking before you drag them off on an away from home/remote location to a "grind it out for a week(or two)" elk hunt, that by the time most (repeat, most) are truly ready for it, their ability to handle a capable rifle is pretty much an issue of their past. Until kids reach that point of multi-competency most the folks I know keep them busy on all the other numerous game species that are available that involve a less rigorous exercise.

Even so, as you know, folks will continue to go out and do what ever it is they do and with varying results. (IMHO, of course.)

Well I for one figure you're one of them little short dudes, who worried about how much of a man you're not, has to shoot big guns to prove you are. You are only provin' it to yourself, not the rest of the world. You are in other words, just another Elmer Keith.