Beaverjack, I am interested to know why you think that it should be sportsman's money that should be appropriated for that.

Perhaps this should have been a separate topic altogether. This issue isn't about our obligations towards existing treaties, but how those century old treaties affect the present day environment. At the present time, its the white man (for lack of a better term?) who manages wildlife and fisheries populations. When treaties were first signed, wildlife management wasn't a concern during a time of limited access and low hunting pressure. Thats all changed. Most treaties allow indiscriminate taking of fish and wildlife at any time of the year. Seasons, quotas, licences are all ways to manage and monitor populations today. When you allow the unlimited harvest of a species by a group, when spawning or breeding times are taken advantage of or compromised, when an animal is taken for its tongue only, or geese or ducks for their down then that population is put in peril. The issue is one of not only equality but responsibility as well and I don't believe thats being shown.

Thats odd jack- that was the same thing i was thinking of your liberal slanted views on the subject- i knew ya could read but figured you had to have gottin most of your ideas from holleywood etc.( the liberal media & schools teach you lopsided side bud )

Guess some of it is beyond your thinking that is ruled by emotions& false facts. Never could stand john wyane much myself Or billy jack- did he happen to be your role model?You kinda remind me of bill clintion too- im the only white man worth adam- all the rest are racist ,redneck opperssers but me- cuz im special.
Prehapes yd like to tell me how nobel natives are& in touch with the world around them? Or did that all suddenly change when the whites came? Thye are ppl period, good& bad just like anyother. They where losers of there war of aggressions. there great warriour societys of there past some are so proud of - shows great lack of value for human lifes& human freedoms. But you can stick with what You have learned ( i would think from the liberal media & liberal school systems too you spoke of ) unknowenly on your part i guess..but the typical they aare victims of the evil white society bla bla bla liberal bs . Prehapes you can also go to your congress man & demand finacial payments for them & all those blacks in america who also think they are owed something .You can play the snooty well read man all ya want or the champion of the oppressed- but it is not impressive.
you are just another liberal as far as i can see ruled by his emotions& feelings - not logic& fact.

want to tell me more about all the treaties , where not one was kept as promised?how ethnic clensing was used& genoside? Like i said , give them what you have jack your land& house etc- talk is cheap, repay your debts you think you owe& please keep the self floging& guilt feelings you have to yourself where they belong . I had a step mother like you once - very big on repayment to natives & big on guilt.... funny she to would not give up her acres of land & house etc either. socilists - with others wealth & goods only.( or big daddy warbucks/ uncles sams in washinton)( you do know where those moneys come from dont you>?)_

should i notify the nations to expect the deeds to your land& house soon?

I do agree with you sawbill( unlike some who said they agreed but really didnt)

Things have changed very much since those treaties where written & they should be updated or changed to reflect the current times.
Why should some ppl have no rules& regs, seasons& limits , when they are for the benafit of all & the game& fish we have to share. jack( since he is living in the past/make believe land somewhere) may not agree, but i have seen natives taking what they want & selling or trading it for other things they wanted more( drug& drink)...it was not food to sustain them at all & those fish& deer where payed for by licence fees etc , that some persons dont even need a licence for & dont pay into... just another form of welfare subsidies for some., in a used& abused system.

I've learnt that this ain't the place to go into injun stuff. Mos' people think how they're gonna think by the time they're growed, so there ain't no use in it. I ain't a bleedin' hart liberal, but I got ancestors who felt the "dark side" of injun policy, and I've read lots of well-written and researched history (and some poorly done stuff too) that never showed up in history books. Anybody capable of spoutin' off about a subject, I figure is capable of really learning what they're spoutin' off about. They jus' gotta make that choice themselfs. All this talk about what version of history is really "revisionist", jus' ask yerself who wrote the "accepted" version of history, and why it never mentions critical, undisputed incidents of indian policy that are not flattering to the government or american people. Then you realize that the truth has 2 sides, an' greed, not righteousness, has been the major influence over this aspect of american history jus' like it has in about every other realm of human behavior since the hairy men with poor posture first learnt to club each other.

Back on the subject, I'd like to see point restrictions for elk herds, less migration tags, and a later rifle season here in Wyoming. I'd also like to see a REAL primative weapons season where in-lines, scopes etc. are banned.

Theres always 2 sides to it jack & both sides did things they shouldnt have, including the us army& goverment&natives( . but it is history fix the wrongs if you can , then you go on with the present& future. You cant change the past - by destroying the future.

It is better to bury the hatchet into the tree & share food, then into someones head if possible.

some thought custer could not hear to so too lol ,the native lady reamed his ears out good[:-] but i think he was already dead [&:]

Reading is good jack, remember dont believe all you read& its ok to have high opintions of yerself &Im sure you graduated a lot higher grade then myself& are well informed & edumakated I dit n fact get my self past 5th grade ok naw ifin i hat maddt to to jr callege mine mum would be prowd.

I would also like my 40acres & a mule jack( think id really rather have a donkey or burro)- i will take it in thunder basin grasslands , or red desert are or mtns here or badlands or ...i could need more then 40 acres though - im only( almost) 3 away from haveing as grandkids as jimmy carter( whose smile always reminded me of a chichawaha we had once when i was a yunin.) who was attacked by a rabbit in hisboat?

regulations should aply equally in the Equality state for all who live here.

You do know billyjack dont you?

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I'am sorry if I offend any first nations people on this board but I agree with sawbill 100 %. Up here we have seen no regard towards the reproductive cycle of fish/game. ie: shooting moose cows in the spring that where about to drop calfs, placing gill nets across an entire spawing river/creek catching everything that tries to run it, etc... I have no problem with the first nations taking whatever to put food on the table or for relgious beliefs as long as it doesn't hurt the reproductive cycle and is for thier consumption/use only.

RJ
What the hell you talkin' 'bout boy? How you figure talkin' 'bout the government marchin' native families off to Oklahoma to starve, or riding down on villages in the winter to wipe out wimmins an' chilrin to have anythin' whatsoever to do with supportin' terrorists, environmentalists or anythin' else you blabbed about? An' if by "liberal" you mean somebody favorin' liberty, then you can label me that! Last I heard, speakin' yer mind was one of those freedoms we used to have in this country til somewhars along the way somebody decided we all had to think an' vote alike to be counted as american. Jus' the kind of small-minded thinking that made Sand Creek, Wa****a, Mingo Village possible! "Let's all be scared of those who question governement actions" - where would we be if the original colonists thunk that way? Reminds me of a quote I heard recent:

"Hell no France and Germany don't deserve to get any of the contract money for rebuilding Iraq! They didn't contribute one red cent to the president's reelection campaign."