Grizzly Bears
02-02-2002 | 04:51 PM
#131
Nontypical Buck
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From: egypt
RE: Grizzly Bears
hmm...maybe we ought to video tape this one....funniest home videos, heck if ya win you could make oh enuf for maybe 2 more bear hunts with your buck shot!!! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>!
NOT LMAO!!!
NOT LMAO!!!
02-02-2002 | 05:04 PM
#132
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From: Auburn New Hampshire USA
RE: Grizzly Bears
Blain,
There isn't a guide that will take you Grizz hunting with buckshot
You'll spend $20K + on a grizz hunt, and where you can afford a rifle, I don't see how you can afford the hunt
I'm doubting you've had a twentith birthday. The inability to be rational usually indicates the teen years.
There isn't a guide that will take you Grizz hunting with buckshot
You'll spend $20K + on a grizz hunt, and where you can afford a rifle, I don't see how you can afford the hunt
I'm doubting you've had a twentith birthday. The inability to be rational usually indicates the teen years.
02-05-2002 | 12:17 AM
#133
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From: USA United States USA
RE: Grizzly Bears
Grizz hunts don't cost 20+k, moron. Even coastal brown bear hunts don't cost that much. It's not my fault your inavbility to reconize other methods of harvesting game puts your reasoning capacity far below that of an average man... but then again who said you were one anyway?
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
02-05-2002 | 07:58 AM
#134
Nontypical Buck
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From: ......
RE: Grizzly Bears
I was at Hasting's yesterday, and picked up a magazine on hunting bears. Black bears dominated the articles, but one in particular caught my attention.
This guy hunts bears with dogs, and he kills some BIG bears - 600-700 pounderes. BIG bears for black bears, and big animals in general. He's been hunting them for 20 years, and his choice of weapon ? Shotgun, 3 1/2 inch 00 buckshot. I kid you not, he said at close range nothing works better. I assume at close range, dogs baying a bear, thats what, 15-20 yards ??
Anyway, I am always open to facts, and this guy supported using buckshot on BIG bears. Whats a normal grizzly weigh and what is the difference in bone structure ? I dunno, just asking, and I still think its foolish to hunt big bears with buckshot, but this guy does it and hes very successful.
This guy hunts bears with dogs, and he kills some BIG bears - 600-700 pounderes. BIG bears for black bears, and big animals in general. He's been hunting them for 20 years, and his choice of weapon ? Shotgun, 3 1/2 inch 00 buckshot. I kid you not, he said at close range nothing works better. I assume at close range, dogs baying a bear, thats what, 15-20 yards ??
Anyway, I am always open to facts, and this guy supported using buckshot on BIG bears. Whats a normal grizzly weigh and what is the difference in bone structure ? I dunno, just asking, and I still think its foolish to hunt big bears with buckshot, but this guy does it and hes very successful.
02-05-2002 | 09:13 AM
#135
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From: , Alaska USA
RE: Grizzly Bears
Stealthycat:
There will always be exceptions to the rule. I know a guide who uses a 223 to dispatch bears that are wounded but down. He is successful but stupid. It only takes one time for it not to work, to ruin your whole day.
Also black bears, even large ones, cannot be compared to grizzly. An average small inland griz weighs in at about 400 lbs. The coasties are much bigger.
Their bone structure, muscle density, fur and hide are all heavier duty than on any blacky.
This is why Fish and Game divides the big game into class one and class two. Griz are in class two, and blackies are in class one.
Regulations require different minimum weapon use for each class.
For example, there is a 40# min. bow weight for class one animals, and a 50# min. for class two.
Also found in class one are deer, wolf, wolverine, caribou, and dall sheep.
Besides griz, class two has Moose, Muskox, and Mt. Goat,
This picture should help you understand how fundamentally different they are.
<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> If You Ain't Hunted Alaska, You're Still Just Practicing <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
There will always be exceptions to the rule. I know a guide who uses a 223 to dispatch bears that are wounded but down. He is successful but stupid. It only takes one time for it not to work, to ruin your whole day.
Also black bears, even large ones, cannot be compared to grizzly. An average small inland griz weighs in at about 400 lbs. The coasties are much bigger.
Their bone structure, muscle density, fur and hide are all heavier duty than on any blacky.
This is why Fish and Game divides the big game into class one and class two. Griz are in class two, and blackies are in class one.
Regulations require different minimum weapon use for each class.
For example, there is a 40# min. bow weight for class one animals, and a 50# min. for class two.
Also found in class one are deer, wolf, wolverine, caribou, and dall sheep.
Besides griz, class two has Moose, Muskox, and Mt. Goat,
This picture should help you understand how fundamentally different they are.
<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> If You Ain't Hunted Alaska, You're Still Just Practicing <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
02-05-2002 | 11:31 AM
#136
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From: CWD Central, WI.
RE: Grizzly Bears
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Grizz hunts don't cost 20+k, moron<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>Blain: I really can't believe it took 6 pages for you to finally break a forum rule. Please read the following statement carefully.
If you acually try to stop a full grown Grizzly with a 12ga. and buckshot, either in a relaxed or charging senario you are one of the following.
1. A complete idiot
2. A moron
3. Not right in the head
4. All of the above
Now, can you tell the difference between my statement and yours? What part of this don't you comprehend? >If you attempt to stop a charging Grizzly with buckshot, you stand a better chance of dieing than if you held one of the above mentioned magnums.< Dieing is a piss poor way to try and prove a point pal. Its not like you can say afterwards "it worked on wet phone books".
If you acually try to stop a full grown Grizzly with a 12ga. and buckshot, either in a relaxed or charging senario you are one of the following.
1. A complete idiot
2. A moron
3. Not right in the head
4. All of the above
Now, can you tell the difference between my statement and yours? What part of this don't you comprehend? >If you attempt to stop a charging Grizzly with buckshot, you stand a better chance of dieing than if you held one of the above mentioned magnums.< Dieing is a piss poor way to try and prove a point pal. Its not like you can say afterwards "it worked on wet phone books".
02-05-2002 | 04:13 PM
#138
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From: Fairfield CA USA
RE: Grizzly Bears
Gang,
This has been an extremely interesting (I got in trouble at work for laughing) forum, I feel fortunate to have finally found it. Since Blain hasn't refuted age, lets all assume that enters into the equation. I've not hunted bears of any kind so I'm no expert, but common sense would say follow Thaninator's (experienced bear hunter) advice. Thaninator if you can combine some halibut and salmon fishing with a griz hunt I'm coming up. We can pick through scat for Blains remains.
As a guy who trained for UFC fighting I'll take Blain's challenge. Anybody have a video camera and insurance for that matchup? Ha ha ha. I'll take all bets, too. Maybe I'll make enough to pay for the above mentioned trip.
No seriously, thanks for the yucks and this all goes back to the threads on other forums regarding the lack of commmon sense in the youth of today.
Stealthy, its always good to see a poster who looks for data/resources and keeps an open mind.
Happy hunting, be it phonebooks or bears, and "Uncle" Than let me know about the trip possibility.
This has been an extremely interesting (I got in trouble at work for laughing) forum, I feel fortunate to have finally found it. Since Blain hasn't refuted age, lets all assume that enters into the equation. I've not hunted bears of any kind so I'm no expert, but common sense would say follow Thaninator's (experienced bear hunter) advice. Thaninator if you can combine some halibut and salmon fishing with a griz hunt I'm coming up. We can pick through scat for Blains remains.
As a guy who trained for UFC fighting I'll take Blain's challenge. Anybody have a video camera and insurance for that matchup? Ha ha ha. I'll take all bets, too. Maybe I'll make enough to pay for the above mentioned trip.
No seriously, thanks for the yucks and this all goes back to the threads on other forums regarding the lack of commmon sense in the youth of today.
Stealthy, its always good to see a poster who looks for data/resources and keeps an open mind.
Happy hunting, be it phonebooks or bears, and "Uncle" Than let me know about the trip possibility.
02-05-2002 | 05:05 PM
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From: Elizabeth CO USA
RE: Grizzly Bears
Stealthycat,
I am a professional hound hunter. we use dogs to hunt Black Bear and Lions. Shooting a treed bear has no resemblence to shooting a charging irate bear on the ground. When I'm hunting with dogs I use a .45LC or .44 mag My partner uses a .357. I wouldn't dream of using a pistol for hunting bears on the ground, totally different scenario. When a bear is treed I have the time to wait for the perfect shot. I always shoot them in the neck with a pistol. On the ground during a charge scenario you take what you can get. Sometimes it's good sometimes it's not. I also carry a .44 mag hot loaded with 320 grain hard cast bullets in AK that is in addition to either a slug loaded shot gun or a .375 or .45/70. The reason I carry a pistol is that it's always with you, at some point during the day you'll have to set your long gun down.
Blain,
I've got a sneakin suspicion that your Wyoming hunt story is a huge load of B.S.. If you won't give the name of your outfitter at least give us the area of Wyoming you were hunting. In all the years that I've been hunting in bear country AK NM CO WY MT I've only once ever had to shoot a bear and that was one I called in with a cow call. And the truth be known he was probably bluffing. The only other nasty I've ever had was last season when my brother got swatted by a blackie during elk season and that was over before anyone got a chance to do anything it happened so fast! But the one and only time you went on a hunt in Bear country it was a friggin disaster charging grizz and all. Sorry bud I just ain't buying that one.
Edited by - surestrike on 02/05/2002 18:15:29
Edited by - surestrike on 02/05/2002 18:29:40
Edited by - surestrike on 02/06/2002 10:16:40
I am a professional hound hunter. we use dogs to hunt Black Bear and Lions. Shooting a treed bear has no resemblence to shooting a charging irate bear on the ground. When I'm hunting with dogs I use a .45LC or .44 mag My partner uses a .357. I wouldn't dream of using a pistol for hunting bears on the ground, totally different scenario. When a bear is treed I have the time to wait for the perfect shot. I always shoot them in the neck with a pistol. On the ground during a charge scenario you take what you can get. Sometimes it's good sometimes it's not. I also carry a .44 mag hot loaded with 320 grain hard cast bullets in AK that is in addition to either a slug loaded shot gun or a .375 or .45/70. The reason I carry a pistol is that it's always with you, at some point during the day you'll have to set your long gun down.
Blain,
I've got a sneakin suspicion that your Wyoming hunt story is a huge load of B.S.. If you won't give the name of your outfitter at least give us the area of Wyoming you were hunting. In all the years that I've been hunting in bear country AK NM CO WY MT I've only once ever had to shoot a bear and that was one I called in with a cow call. And the truth be known he was probably bluffing. The only other nasty I've ever had was last season when my brother got swatted by a blackie during elk season and that was over before anyone got a chance to do anything it happened so fast! But the one and only time you went on a hunt in Bear country it was a friggin disaster charging grizz and all. Sorry bud I just ain't buying that one.
Edited by - surestrike on 02/05/2002 18:15:29
Edited by - surestrike on 02/05/2002 18:29:40
Edited by - surestrike on 02/06/2002 10:16:40