Clinty Poo

Seriously how do people pay upwards of 10,000$ to shoot big bulls off of these ranches. I've heard quite a bit about them and from what I've heard for the most part it's drive out pick what elk you want to shoot then pull the trigger. How can anyone seriously enjoy that? It's like just driving out into the pasture and shooting a cow. I guess they just want a good mount to go above their fireplace and are to lazy to go kill an elk the right way?

glob3006

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I think that covers it???

Really.....How do people pay $50,000 to for a Govnr's tag or tothe RMEF for a raffle tag?????Hunting????? I don't know ....Im bafffled.Obviously an "Elk ranch" hunt go's way beyond fair chase.But at least you know what it is.If that sounds right???
I honestly have more of a problem with organizations like the RMEF, MDF etc.. Not for the conservationendof it. Don't get me wrong.But forthe fact that people give to these organizationsyear after year ....Go to the banquets,donate and yetwill never have an opportunity to hunt the land that we supposedly helped to conserve/preserve unless we are the highest bidder????? That to me wrong !!!!!
Maybe off topic a bit......Some things just get me.

Bill

CAelknuts

Clinty, you'll get complete agreement from me on the high fenced game farm issue. While I have no problem with a man like the governor's tag holder going out on public land and killing a bull that any other tag holder had a chance at, in fact that many other tag holders had a chance to kill, I completely despise these farms and would never give a second of my time to any pretender who kills an elk on one of these places and tries to say he's an elk hunter. All of the elk I've killed over the years - bulls, cows, spikes, raghorns and big bulls, have all been killed in fair chace hunts. I respect anyone who goes out and kills a free range elk, but these pretenders who shoot them behind high fences are not hunters in anyone's eyes (except perhaps, those of SCI's) "Estate" elk, give me an F'ing break!

stealthycat II

horn porn - the ability to use money to buy very very larger antlered animals so people will oooooh and ahhhhhh over the horns .... greed, selfishness ....... horn porn

Muliefever

Bill,
I am with you ao this one! There is no arguement that RMEF is the premier big game conservation org.. However, When it comes to hunting because you were the highest bidder.. That is not always right. If you have the money and wish to donate a **** ton then you should get an opportunity to hunt some "members only" grounds if you will.. But the small guy like me wants a chance too. The great thing about elk hunting or hunting in general is that everyone can do it. It shouldn't cost $10,000 or more to kill a bull. I will stick to public land DIY hunts!

DM

Yeaa it sucks, when you can hunt longer on public land, just because you have more money than the next guy!!

DM

CAelknuts

DM, actually you have that backwards. It might suck when you can't hunt as long as someone else because you don't have as much money as the next guy. I doubt that it sucks to hunt longer because you have more money, if you're the guy with more money.

CAelknuts

So Stealthy, let me get this straight. Let's say I hunt elk in a fair chase effort, buton a private ranch, one that has no fences higher than a standard three strand barbed wire fence that is all over the west, and let's say I kill a bull that scores 386 on a five day hunt. You're saying that is "horn porn"?

stealthycat II

CAelknuts more information is needed to be honest. The fence you described isn't a barrier to elk. You're hunting private lands so that tips things in your favor more so than public land animals but sure, that can be fair chase.

How about this - you say the high fenced areas are despicable, but if its a high fenced African hunt, is that more or less canned that paying Mossback and his 15 scouters to find the Spider bull for the shooter ?

WNYhunter

Let me start by saying I raise a few elk. I guess in the sceem of things I just hate guys lying about thier bull or whatever it is. If you pay to shoot one out of a high fenced pasture or 5000 acers of the thickest $hit around, say so. If it was taken off of a farmershay lot where the elk show up every day at 5:37pm and if you sit right here it will give you an 87 yard shot, say so.

I also respect the spike or raghorn killed on public ground a whole lot more than I do the monster taken in the haylot or behind a fence.

I guess I agree with the "pretender" statement. A bull behind the fence or in the haylot will always be just that, it's ok with me just don't make it out to be more than it is.