Let me start by saying I raise a few elk. I guess in the sceem of things I just hate guys lying about thier bull or whatever it is. If you pay to shoot one out of a high fenced pasture or 5000 acers of the thickest $hit around, say so. If it was taken off of a farmershay lot where the elk show up every day at 5:37pm and if you sit right here it will give you an 87 yard shot, say so.

I also respect the spike or raghorn killed on public ground a whole lot more than I do the monster taken in the haylot or behind a fence.

I guess I agree with the "pretender" statement. A bull behind the fence or in the haylot will always be just that, it's ok with me just don't make it out to be more than it is.