Clinty, you'll get complete agreement from me on the high fenced game farm issue. While I have no problem with a man like the governor's tag holder going out on public land and killing a bull that any other tag holder had a chance at, in fact that many other tag holders had a chance to kill, I completely despise these farms and would never give a second of my time to any pretender who kills an elk on one of these places and tries to say he's an elk hunter. All of the elk I've killed over the years - bulls, cows, spikes, raghorns and big bulls, have all been killed in fair chace hunts. I respect anyone who goes out and kills a free range elk, but these pretenders who shoot them behind high fences are not hunters in anyone's eyes (except perhaps, those of SCI's) "Estate" elk, give me an F'ing break!