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well i got a doe last night after 3 hunts of not seeing any thing, i would put some pictures but didnt have time to take any. i shot it just below the ear with a .270 at 75 yards it had a hole that i could almost fit my fist into on the other side but i didnt have to go look for it and no meat was wastedit was getting dark anyways and i didnt want to have to go look for it if it ran:D

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uh oh.......dont go talkin about it in the deer hunting forums. all the high and mightys will get mad at you and try to get you banned for being "stupid" and "unethical" i say good for you good shot and keep it up!!

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congrats but thats a horrible shot placement. why would you think about shooting a deer there

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I only make head shots on does. No wasted meat.

Great shot franke!

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nice shot frank! I've been tempted to bring that "head shot on does" back to life. the more I think about it the more I support it haha. But, I know it would just go around in circles like before...oo well. Nice shot and congrats, wish you had some pics.
-Jake

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I will only take head shots on does and only when i have my 204 with me. I know i can easily get a good head shot on a doe out to 200 yards with it.

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lol im not even gonna start

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haha. Im surprised this thread isn't filled with hate yet.
-Jake

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stop the violence lol:D

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shall i start the arguement here I go jk i dont care if shoot deer in the head i dont do it im not hatin! dont be hatin!

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[:@][:@][:@]

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actually puttign a bullet with a 270 through the ribs will not waste any meat. practice better shooting ethics. [:@]

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Congrats on the doe!!

Not trying to start an argument but if your shooting through the ribs, theres a good chance you'll hit the heart, or the shoulders which are both fine eating.

IMO great job with the doe and if your confident in the shot, take it.

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oh lord, dont start this stuff again

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Ok im starting the arguement! :D

What is your definition of "shooting ethics?"

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ooo Geeze....this is gonna get messy.....messier than that does head....
-Jake

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on time my brother spine shot a doe so he had to finish it off with his muzzleload and wow talk about messy :D

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that enough outa you son. if you dont like it go hang out w/ solohunter over in the "im holier then thou" forum and from what you post, your not.
thats how it is. stright up

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way to be sky
-Jake

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I will say this straight up, i dont believe in head shots...

My reasoning;




AS you can see, there is a bullet hole right below the deer's right eye. I cant say for certain that the hunter was aiming for the head, but he sure did hit him there. When i shot him, the wound was semi-closed up and he was skinny as a rail (as you can see). This deer could not use his bottom jaw because it was completely broken and only hanging by skin.

You can see where i shot him down in the body (from an elevated angle). He dropped like a sack of potatoes and didn't move from the spot.

IMO if something like this can happen, then its not ethical.

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and this is why i do like 'em

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll4/skybuster20/Pictures006.jpg

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Well Brandon, IMO the negatives outweigh the positives.

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i agree to disagree caleb :)

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im not even gonna say anything cause i know that was a good shot and i enjoyed the hunt

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if you know your gun can penetrate the skull at that distance, then it just as ethical as shooting the neck or spine/lungs/heart regions. In my opinion, good shot, and ignore the nay-sayers

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im undecided if my .350 will have good penitration..........??? story of my life

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My point has been made, but theres one more thing i feel i should say. Its not the "penetration" that i feel is the problem, its the low margin of error. A deer's brain is not very big, and if you miss that, thenyou better get the spine or main artery or that deer is going to suffer like the one i shot did. At least with a heart shot attempt, you can get 2 lungs a liver, a spine, an artery, ora neck.

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what about the margin of error for that as well? if you shoot too high, but not high enough to get the spine then you have a wounded animal, if you shoot too low then you will have a wounded animal

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HT is right. there is a dead spot w/ absolutley nothing vital at all behind the shoulder.

this one was a head shot too and it didnt go anywheres

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll4/skybuster20/Pictures108.jpg

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any common hunting rifle will penetrate the skull with no problem...thats not even an issue haha. We will all have our own oppinion, but yes it does kill deer. Dont specifically think"I only take head shots!!!" take what shots are given to you that are good. IF that happens to be a head at forty yards....well I have no problem with that an Ive done it four times.
-Jake

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you do know i was being sarcastic right???

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Every shot has pros and cons. But the head shot has a way LARGER margin of error then a heart/lung shot attempt. And about the empty spaces, with an arrow yes, it can happen (trust me i know), but with a gun, it wont. The damage a bullet does from a rifle will almost certainly sever something if you aim for the heart/lungs and make a good shot.

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this was a major arguement in another forum. what some ppl dont understand is that in cetain parts of the country the deer densities are really low, 6 deer per sq mile such as where i live and hunt so its not like you see a deer every day you go out. and your only allowed one so when you get the chance at you take it. i hunted yesterday for our opener, granted i didnt ewant to shoot my deer yet and i was just scouting but i only see one doe and she was running away from me......had it been time to kill a deer you bet your azz i would have tried to drill her on the move. my point is, some of us cant or dont have the opertunity to get text book broad side shots.

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of course. I was referring to huntnteen. haha that .350 would have no problem penetrating any part of a deer.
-Jake

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then his shot was perfectly ethical according to my standards. He took a legitimate shot at a vital zone of the deer, so you should all quit belittleing anyone who takes headshots

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I thought you didn't deer hunt?


Mind expanding on that one Brandon?

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the dead spot is below the lungs and the rear of the heart..like from the heart back to the guts and below the lungs there is nothing. also, if you hit too high. I will try to find a diagram to post thats shows it.
-Jake

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I dont deer hunt because i dont have a place to, i grew up with both parents deer hunting, and still put in for a tag every summer for the section of CA where we have mule deer. What im trying to do is defend the kid. I have grown up with my parents only taking heart or neck shots, and i will probley live to their standards once im in the feild, but it doesnt mean that i want someone to belittle a kid for a takeing a shot he knew could make, and killing a deer

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ok I found some stuff.




You can see it in those pictures. That is actually about a three to four inch area that is just tissue. and doesnt usually kill the deer. Especially with a bow. A bullet usually makes enough of a mess that it doesnt matter. but it is still an empty spot. Point being, ANYTIME you shoot an animal you risk injury.
-Jake