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What's does this have to do with what is being discussing?

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Ok, here's a different question regarding poaching.

The deer season here has been over for about 2 months. We feed all winter long, and last night a buck with a severely broken front left leg came in. An open fracture, the kind where the bone sticks out through the skin. We don't have much in the way of coyotes, so this deer is going to die a long painful death. Or should "someone" do something? Remember, it's out of season: it's poaching. Right?

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It's not poaching, it's doing the right thing, probably a warden will do it for you.
The problem with the warden doing it is he'll most likely give it to one of those "too lazy to work homes", sometimes called a homeless shelter.;)

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Simple ethics.vs law = law But there are outlaws, I would shoot it and hope for the best with a clear conscious.

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I seriously doubt that the people with the "POACHING IS POACHING" posts would let their wife or children go hungry just so they can say that they never broke a law. I'm not going out drunk at night and shooting up the hillside but my family will eat if it comes down to it.

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Are you qualified to make that call? You a vet or done studies on the mortality rates of wounded deer? Can't believe all the 3 legged deer I have shot. Its been a few. Even shot one once in ML season with a bunch of 22 slugs in its hind.

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Gutshot, thats why poeple work. I grew up in that state. And have heard these arguments for a long time. And there was always a alternative. I have yet to see too many starving familys in that state.

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You better believe I'd pop bambi's butt if it was that or watch my little girl go to bed hungery! I'd be busting my butt to try to find a job, but kids don't understand that they don't get to eat dinner because mommy and daddy don't have any money. Since I'm a contract employee, if they decide that they no longer need my services, I won't be able to draw unemployment because they don't pay anything into the system for me. Food stamps don't go very far either. Watch your kids go hungery for a few days and then tell me you would never poach to feed them! I haven't had to do that with my daughter and I hope that I never do, but my mom did with us. We ate a lot of that free food from the government(that crap isn't fit to feed to my dogs) and more than a few poached animals. Here's a hint about how nasty that free food is. Take a can of corn. Put it your attic and forget about it for 8-10 years. Make sure that it can freeze in the winter and bake in the summer. Then open it up and eat it cold. That's almost what the cheese tasted like. The peanut butter wasn't any better. MRE peanut butter is creamier and better tasting than that stuff. Maybe it's gotten better in the last 20 years or so, but I doubt it! And she could only get it once a month, so it had better last! I remember those days, I'll do whatever I have to avoid it happening to my family. As long as I make enough money to provide sleep/warm, I can always provide eat with a rifle!

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iloveto4X4, if people can't afford to have kids, then why not use protection. I grew up on the Mingo county, WV line, and have seen generation after generation drawing in welfare, poaching, but boy they sure did go in debt, and buy 4 wheelers, and the nicest trucks then get laid off from the mines, draw gov checks, and on and on. I got out of there. I had it. If you cant afford kids, don't have em, I say.

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Bigcountry, can you afford to have a kid? Will you still be able to say that in 10 years? I can afford a kid now just like I could afford her when we had her. Will I be able to afford her in 2 years? 10 years? Who knows. Does that mean that if something happens and I can't afford to feed her with $2+ a pound hamburger that I should give her up? In case you haven't noticed, the prices are going up at the grocery store. Not all of us can afford to eat whatever we want or drive $40k trucks. I've had to eat the crap food that's barely fit for human consumption that the gov't hands out, and I don't ever want to do that again. I bust my a$$ so that my daughter will have better than I did as a kid. I drive a seven year old Jeep with 131K on it. It's falling apart, but getting a better vehicle would mean that I have to get rid of something else.

I knew better than to reply to this post in the first place, but I couldn't help myself. When I see people saying that they'd never resort to poaching to feed their family because the gov't will be there to give them a handout, it gets my blood boiling. Having been on the recieving end of those handouts, I know how crappy they really are, how little there is of it, and how hard it is to get them. I never said that it was legal, just that if I had to to feed my family, I would in a hillbilly's heart beat.

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Iloveto4x4, yes, and yes.

What I am talking about is the families go generation after generation after generation. If you come from WV, you know what I am saying. That gets my blood boiling. And then my dipstick ex father in law, has the nerve to look at me and say "boy, wish I could have went to college like you". And I reply, "yea, I just never got a girl pregnat at the age of 15 like you did". His family goes back generations drawing gov. money and poaching. Which is the typical poacher in Southern WV.

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I appreciate your statements, and I'm like you. I am a "poaching is stealing" guy, but I have learned to never say never. I might poach to feed my family, just like I might steal if I were desperate, but I wouldn't call it right. More likely I would sell my gun and gear and buy a side of beef while I get a job.

If I catch a poacher I'm not going to spend any time wondering if his kids need the meat, I'm turning him in. If I got desperate enough to steal I would expect someone to do the same to me.

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This is a great topic. I love listening to all you people that like to tell other people what to do. Who the hell are you to tell me to go get welfare or take my family to a soup kitchen. In this lifetime i can assure you that that will NEVER happen. If my family is hungry enough, it is MY responsability to fix that. I would kill and eat everything that walks, crawls, swims, or breathes before I would ever go to a welfare office and ask for anything. And thats my right. And I will tell you another thing. I would have absolutely NO PROBLEM looking a Judge in the eye and telling them why I did it. Only a complete moron would shun a man for taking care of his kin and making sure their bellies are full.

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So your telling me that if owned a 12 beef cows & my family is hungry & i poach one of them it's ok & you won't be mad.

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Very different topic between killing someones cows and shooting a deer. I think even you can see that. You have to really stretch to compare the two. Poaching is wrong, but so it starving. It is so easy to say you would not do it. It is so hard to imagine how you could get so hungry to poach a deer in this day and age. Would I do it? In a heart beat.
If I got caught I would stand up and look at the judge and tell him why I did it.

Everything changes when you need to take care of your family.

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I personally dont see a problem with hunting year round on your own property. If it is your land I believe you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you are not endangering a species. In North Carolina, I heard the wildlife officers released coyotoes into the wild to reduce the deer herd - because of the insurance companies complaining of all the deer/automobile accidents. We have seen 4 coyotes last season as opposed to never seeing them before. Also, we have found at least 3 deer carcasses. If you live in an area overpopulated with deer, and you own the land, then I dont see a reason why you can't hunt year round ... especially if coyotes are getting to them. Personally, I feel the wildlife officers should have either extended the hunting season to help the problem, or issue special permits to allow hunters to hunt at night.

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I got caught I would stand up and look at the judge and tell him why I did it
Then your famialy would really be hungry will you paid fine & did jail time.


Really whats the diff. other than the gov. owns the deer & a person owns the cow are not both against the law & are not both stealing.

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Too proud for welfare but not too proud to break the law?

No it isn't.

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Very well said.....................

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I just don't get it. My family comes before ANYONE and that includes myself !! If I have to swallow my pride and stand in a wellfare line so my wife and child have something to eat tonight then there isn't going to be no man on this earth that could stop me. Yeah, I might be embarassed standing there. I may be in the dumps for losing my job. I may have a tough time looking in the mirror at night but they keyword here is "I". Not my wife, and not my son. I would take all of their pain that they would have to deal with in their lives just so they wouldn't have to and if that means using whats necessary to get back on my feet again while not breaking the law then so be it. I might not have everything I've always wanted but I can always say that everythingI have, I got it honest. I take more pride in that than anything.

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bearlr,
I just want to say you are 1 stand up guy.
I applaud you and your take on this subject.
You said what I could not put in to words myself.

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Fastfire, now you said it for me.

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Right. Both are stealing and it's not a stretch to compare them. I own that deer, just like you do. Gov't is US!!! They are elected by us to manage OUR deer! And yes, I will tell someone what to do if I see them or know they're about to steal a deer.

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Thanks fastfire. I'm glad to see there's others on this thread that feel the same way I do. ;)

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Poaching is Poaching any way you look at it. Its illegal every way you look at it. I know several poachers but I stay out of it. Their business is their business.

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AMEN,BROTHER!!!!

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Does his family tree have branches,bigcountry?

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Probably looks like a yard stick LOL

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You anti "poaching" people make me laugh. Say what you want. You all remind me of a bunch of drones or actors in a play. Since when is taking an animal and eating it if your hungry wrong? Your all pathetic....whoooo the government....screw the government and their stupid rules. If a man is hungry he should not have to swallow his pride just to feed his family. Not only would I kill a friggin deer or ten of them if I had to, I would feel good about doing it and providing for myself and my kin. If you all want to stand in a welfare line and act like its better than dropping a deer, go for it. You won't see me there...I will be in a tree. Have some pride. Since when did a handout become acceptable? Pathetic. Grow a sack. And no judge or jury would ever convict on this subject.....by the way. What a bunch of idiots.....I might go crank one of those fury b#stard# right now just to spite you all.

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And another thought....you pro government and pro law and pro rule fools...I suppose you all think that it's ok for the government to make you wear seatbelts when you drive too. I used to wear one...right up until they told me I had to, now I don't. Get a grip...most laws that are in place are foolish. laws are put on the books to control the population. Your mentality is the reason why this country is not free anymore. And if you think you are free, then your even dumber than I thought you were before. Live and let live.

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Thank moosehorn, you just proved my point so well. All you had to do was open your mouth. Its pretty obvious. You can't help it.

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bigcounty, it's a DEAD horse...Man, let it go! I know its your point of view and mine too,but how are you
going to convience anyone when it was just Posted----- Hey look two COPS did it !

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If it where a true case of necessity it would be hard to succeed beings you've sold everything you have to hunt with and drive with because you've "really" done all you can for you family.

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That's a good one m.t.!

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OK, now I'm a drone, pathetic and a fool who needs to grow a "sack". You can sit there and pound your chest all you want saying this and that about government "handouts" and how you'll shoot any deer you want. However, the fact remains that no matter how much you lie to yourself those that poach are actually alot more pathetic and spineless than those individuals who get what they have honestly. It's easy for someone to hide what they do while at the same time sitting on their high horse like they just saved their family from the brink of starvation. If you really have too much "pride" to help your family the honest way then the next time you poach a deer drive it down to the local game commission office and knock on the door. When they answer say, I shot this deer ilegally to feed my starving family and there's nothing you can do but I still have my "pride":eek:. Until you have the "sack" to do that your just acting more spineless than those you criticize. So next time before you start your name calling take a long look in the mirror, but then again if your just going to keep lying to yourself you'll only see what you want anyway so on second thought don't even bother.

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O.K. whatever bear.....enjoy your food stamps....oooops, my food stamps that I paid for I mean.

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I agree if you own the land it's YOURS not the government's. You should be able to do whatever the hell you want on it as long as you are not endangering a species. I think we can all agree that deer are a long ways from being extinct. Bow hunting should be legal everyday of the year, YES EVEN ON SUNDAYS. Those of us that live in the Bible Belt aren't allowed to hunt on Sundays. That's retarded, there is no reason why we should'nt be able to.

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Oh that's right I keep forgetting that I'm one of those special people who don't have to pay taxes.:eek: And you enjoy living in your own little fantasy world pounding your chest repeating the phrase "I'm special, I don't need a license because for some reason my family is worse of than a somolian on weight watchers yet I live in the most powerfull nation in the world". I'm sure you'll be shooting these deer with a 600.00 gun after you drive your 2002 ford f250 to you hunting spot where you already have a tree stand hanging. Hmmmmm, ever think of going without some of the "necessities" yourself to buy food. Oh wait, let me guess, you wouldn't have any "pride" if you had to drive a 300.00 dollar olds.

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Bear....actualy, I own 2 dump trucks, an f350, an f250, and a gmc 2500, as well as an s2000. As far as me starving, hell no! Not even close. My point is, if I was, I would not take the hand outs that you would. I don't think welfare is right, you do. I feel that if everyone took care of their own, there is no need for it. Your barking up the wrong tree bud. Go fantacize about the next democrat that will be running for office. I'm truly not interested in speaking to you any further. You are not worth my time.

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Yea, thats right we did a bang up job managing our own land for the last 300 years. Oh, I forgot about those elk and Griz in the East like Ky and PA. We did wipe those out didn't we. Oh and the buffalo. We were fairly responsible with them wasn't we?