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poaching is not ok at all
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A lot of people here are forgetting the fact that almost all year long there is a season for something. If times get rough and it's not deer season, then hunt what is in season...heck go down to the pond and catch a hundred or so perch and catfish. They are always in season most places, and it's not hard to catch them. You can probably get more meals out of fishing each day than you could hunting for a week in some places. And also, if MOST cases, if you can get out to hunt, you can physically handle a desk job or do something to make some cash. My dad's company was closed a year or two back after he'd worked there for 30 years and was at the top. A company in Chicago bought the small Oklahoma business and shut them down from several state's away[:@], and they didn't care about families or the good business. But my dad started a window washing company. Yes, he was a top dog businessman at a good business, but when it was gone he made the adjustment to make ends meet until he found a better job again.
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If you were very poor and had no other alternative then yah,do what you gotta do to survive. If you shoot an extra deer or two after you already bagged your limit or, it's not hunting season then, IT'S NOT OKAY!
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I've read a lot of responses on here and it seems like its split right down the middle. people have said that feeding your family in hard times justifies poaching. others have said that poaching is poaching and either way you put it its breaking the law.
i agree with both sides DEPENDING on the situation. if your family is starving, truly starving, with nothing left to sell, then poach. go ahead and put food on the table. only if thats your last option though! but you'd have to be damn poor to have to need to poach for food. now im not in any way saying that poaching isn't against the law if you need food. poaching is still poaching and if you do it then you have to be prepared for the consequences. i dont know what i would do. but put in a situation where things could't in any way be worse and i was starving, then i'd go out and shoot a rabbit or squirrel. but thats if my friends cant do anything, i have nothing to sell, and i have no other option. i cant emphesize how extremely poor you'd have to be to need to poach and even then, how much do you think your gun could fetch? a good gun if not damaged in my opionion (depending on the gun) could get at least $200. thats for a larger rifle however. now i realize you cant do much with $200 but you could buy some food. after you use up the money, go out and poach your heart out. but if your caught then expect punishment. I can see how poaching could be neccessary and yet against the law. im not trying to take a single side here but whats listed above is just my opinion. |
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Poaching is poaching no way around that. It is the same as stealing. With so many Govt. handouts, there is NO reason for anyone in America to go hungry. Most are either lazy or to sorry to work. That is not to say there are exceptions. But still we are in the land of plenty & no reason for anyone to starve.
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It is very eazy to figer out the people that have money and live in the citys.It is allso eazy to figer out who lives in the out laying lands.I would bet if all the people that where dead aginst killing for food In off times poated where they lived MOST would live in some big city.You will be very hard pressed to find a farmer that has not had some one in his family kill a few deer to eat.I know this is not a tottla fix for the middle class. This just helps get a little food on the table till crops come in or summer brakes so they can go mack to work.
The people that say fish for food have not read there rule books good. On most all fish there is a limet on the amout of fish you can have TOTAL. Tham means in your frezzer allso not just on the bank.Normaly if your day limet is 5 you can only have 10 at any time even in your house.Here in montana they just BUSTED a guy I fished with a few times for haveing to many fish in his frezzer. He had 14 trout you are only aloud 10.If his wife would have had a licens they could have had 20.The wordens came to his hous to check his frezzer for to many deer. Him and his nabber are fewding so he called him in. Well he did not have to many deer and all where taged but got a ticket for the fish. $50 apice for over the 10. I say do what you have to if you get cought you pay the price.It is no difrant than all the TAX dogging out there for the rich.Every one on this websight has broken one law at some time. It is just they allways can justify there law breaking but if any one else breaks it they should get the book thrown at them. |
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There are two sides to this, in my opinion. First, there is poaching which can be seen as killing for no reason at all. However, in this case, if shooting a deer for food if you have no other choice to survive, I would not view it as poaching. It is for your survival.
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Poaching is just fine, that's why its been outlawed. :eek:
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ORIGINAL: i shoot stuff u just went bank rupt and have nothin to sell for money. would u go and cap bambi to feed your kids? i personally think that is not poaching in my book thats feeding your family.  |
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ORIGINAL: Slamfire Poaching is just fine, that's why its been outlawed. :eek: Poaching is just fine, that's why its been outlawed.  |
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ORIGINAL: greatwhitehunter101 t was outlawed because of those treehugers and people abuse there right to hunt and fish when they need to!
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No, son, it was outlawed so the State could collect revenue. Ding Ding ding ! We have a winner ! Anytime theres money to be made the state is quick to hold out there hands. What do you think license plates, drivers licenses, marriage licenses, hunting licenses, fishing licenses, etc etc were created. REVENUE my friend, thats all. This is why I also believe hunting will never be outlawed, the state would be cutting their own throat of a lot of revenue. And its not poaching when your doing it for survival. The game wardens know this and thats why they turn their heads in cases like this. |
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i think this sould stay at the top lol but i thibk poaching is ok if u are feeding your family it isnt poaching it is SURVIVING
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ya
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It use to be called a "NATURAL RESORCE" but times they do change.
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ORIGINAL: rob1 Been there and done that, and I don't give a ****, what you call it! Lost my good job, unemployment ran out, got 2 part time jobs for minimum wage, and tried to go to school at night to better my education. Don't tell me about all the **** assistance that you can get, tried that, they said I made too much **** money to get any help. Barely made enough to pay my bills, with nothing left for groceries!The way I seen it at that time, the government didn't give a **** whether my family starved or not, so I didnt give a about killing some of their animals so we could eat! Hunted just what we needed to live on and let the rest walk. Anyone who has never been there, doesn't know what they would do.I was raised that God and the welfare of your family comes first. I guarantee that you would starve to death before you received any government assistance, if you were lucky enough to receive any at all, and had to wait on their 2 month or more waiting list! Government assistance isn't handed out to the working man trying to make a living that has fell on hard times. It is given to the lazy S.O.B. that is 21 years old and doesn't feel like getting a job! Just had to vent!![:'(] this guys has his mind strait he knows what it feels like my mother workes with the gov. she says that some people have to wait a year befor they can get any help benifits these are usaly middle age people that have jobs or got laid off but when i was growing up my grandpa used to hunt deer year roud to feed his family because the goverment turned me down some people have there heads in there lil life they think what the are saying is right but it isnt i know of plenty of wardens 1 of witch i am friends with he hunts at out camp says he has calls of people shootin deer or bear outa season so they can feed there family and he turns his back cause when he was growing up he knew how it felt cause he was there some people have their heads to fair up there ass to see what is realy happening the goverment might not even help so u have do do what it takes to survive![:'(]  |
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all the state wants is our money that is why we cant hunt year round they pick alil time slot witch in mass u cant hunt on sunday so working men have lets see ummmm.... saterday to hunt
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I just read a thread by CLINT. What is a RED NECK?
Red necks believe in the TEN COMMANDMENTS. One that is, thou shall not steal! POACHING is stealing! Why can't you wash dishes somewhere? Why can't you find a horse stable and shovel some CRAP? Why can't you sell aluminum cans? If you are a fellow hunter and I knew you needed meat for your family, I would give you every thing I have in the freezer, like my hunting friends would do for me. If you got caught poaching and the fine is $500 dollars/30 days in jail how is your family going to eat? Think Partner. think real hard. Man how talks by YARD and thinks by INCH,should be kicked by FOOT!!! KEEP ON ROOTING!!! |
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[quote]ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog
I just read a thread by CLINT. What is a RED NECK? Red necks believe in the TEN COMMANDMENTS. One that is, thou shall not steal! POACHING is stealing! Why can't you wash dishes somewhere? Why can't you find a horse stable and shovel some CRAP? Why can't you sell aluminum cans? If you are a fellow hunter and I knew you needed meat for your family, I would give you every thing I have in the freezer, like my hunting friends would do for me. If you got caught poaching and the fine is $500 dollars/30 days in jail how is your family going to eat? Think Partner. think real hard. Man how talks by YARD and thinks by INCH,should be kicked by FOOT!!! try rasing a family on that just try for one week to raise a family on that of 3 people min or just u and a wife or so try it see if u can do it u couldnt even have a place to sleep just think bout it with all the gov wants taxes and so on i would glady kill a deer out of season the state just wants our money so we cant hunt year round back in the 1800's that is how we survived so just think about rasing a family on washing dishes and collectin tin cans  |
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You guys don't think hunting seasons were established because unlimited hunting might just decimate the animals we hunt?
she says that some people have to wait a year befor they can get any help benifits was growing up my grandpa used to hunt deer year roud in the 1800's that is how we survived |
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This is from a site dealing with Ohio.
Settlement With the change from forest to farm as well as unrestricted hunting caused large numbers of deer to die. 19th Century As the population of settlers in Ohio grew, the deer population decreased. Hunting restrictions were established in 1857. However hunting seasons that lasted over a month with no bag limits continued through most of the 1800s. In 1882, A.W. Brayton wrote, "The Virginia Deer is rarely met with in Ohio at present, except as domesticated in parts." There were no hunting seasons between 1897 and 1899. 20th Century By 1904, white-tailed deer were extirpated from Ohio. In the 1920s and '30s, a limited restocking program began as well as the natural migration of deer from surrounding states into Ohio. By 1937 they were reported in 28 counties. By 1943, they were recovered [glossary] enough to begin a regulated hunting season, with hunting in all counties by 1956. By 1995, the deer population had reached 550,000. Deer are found in all 88 counties and are kept in control by a regulated deer season. The importance of the deer in Ohio was confirmed in 1988, when it was recognized as the official state animal. extirpated.To destroy totally; exterminate Yup the only reason we have hunting seasons is so the state can collect revenue. |
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From a couple other sites:
The early settlers of the county marvelled at the quantity of wildlife and game that existed in the woods. Much of this wildlife, including the whitetail deer, was gone within two generations. The last record of a deer being killed in Tioga County in the 1800's was 1847. Whitetail deer became a protected species. By 1907 it was a $100 fine for killing a deer or even possessing one. But starting in the 1880's farms off in the hills began to shrink and go into decline. Once people left their homes, the land went back to nature. By the 1920's there was enough forest to support a deer population. By the 1930's a debate began as to whether they should be hunted. At first there was a great deal of opposition, but it was finally decided that a legal season for whitetail deer would commence in the fall of 1941. Whitetail deer have played a very important role in the history of our country. They were used extensively by Native Americans for both food and clothing and also by the early settlers. Extensive clearing of land, unregulated hunting, and loss of habitat brought the whitetail deer population to a record low by the late 1800's. Changing land uses, strict game laws, and a lack of natural large predators have caused the whitetail deer population to rebound dramatically. Whitetails are the number one game animal in the United States. Unregulated hunting in the late 1800's caused deer populations to be eliminated, except in the Black Hills. Through progressive wildlife management in the 1900's, deer in South Dakota have been at record levels for a number of years. While populations are regulated by hunter harvest, average deer numbers for the past 20 years far exceed historical population levels. |
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I don't believe that we should poach, We have to manage to keep our herds in good status. There are plenty of hand outs out there in the states, it's not necessary to go out and potch an animal. Usually those who talk of such situations are only making excuses for themselves to go out and hunt. Although I do believe the Fish and Game Departments do need to lower their fees. It's just one of the ways that our government exploits money from its people. Hunting should be affordable to any income. It shouldn't climb every year just because the majority of people are willing to pay to do what it is that they love. I know I'd take a second morgage out on my house to hunt, if that's what it took.:)
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I don't think its ok, because like young_gun said poaching is poaching and if you bend for one.. the rest can say that too.
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In modern times poaching should never have to be an option. There are alot of places to get help if it came down to someone poaching for food. There are other options out there. Like others have said if you do it for one you have to do it for many.
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I grew up in a very poor, rural area and poaching was the norm. The farmers around our place all carried a rifle on their tractor and when they needed meat they came home with meat.
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I can tell you this, if my 6 year old is hungry and I have no other way to feed him and there's a shootable deer close by my little man won't be hungry for long.;)
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I might step on some toes here, That's like saying selling drugs is ok but only if it's used to feed your family, come on folks, the law is the law, I know there is a big difference between poaching and drug dealing, but it dosen't make it right none the less. A crime was commited. I would make sure that the situation never happens and work 10 jobs to feed my wife and boy.
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ORIGINAL: recurver67 It use to be called a "NATURAL RESORCE" but times they do change. I've stayed out of the argument as long as I could, but this is getting old folks. It's been said numerous times now that those of you against poaching in order to feed your family have probably not ever been in that type of situation before. And it's true. While I understand your arguments, I don't honestly see how you can continue arguing without ever having been in that situation. I have, or at least I've come close. My parents split up, bills were due, and my mother and I had to sell quite a bit of what we owned in order to stay in our home with just a little bit of food every day. The only good meal I got were the free lunches I recieved at school. That month we got an eviction notice from our landlord. I sold my shotgun, my rifle, and my fishing equipment to help pay the bills. I was 13. My mother tried to get help from the State, but as another person in this thread said, she made about a dollar or so more than the state "required" for assistance. Eventually my father noticed the problems we were having and he and my mom settled their differences and they moved back in together. Had they not gotten back together I may have had to poach an animal and I would have had absolutely no problem doing it. Until you've been in this type of situation you really have no room to talk. I don't expect any of you who have been arguing against poaching to change your minds. You're all absolutely right when you say that poaching is illegal. Those who do it are criminals. But if I had to choose between being a criminal and going without food, I would gladly become that criminal. The state won't always provide assistance to those who need it. I don't want any of this quoted. I don't want any of this argued against. I didn't post it to start arguments, I didn't even want to participate in this argument. I thought that maybe by sharing my story you might get a little insight into a poor person's life. So please, don't quote me, don't argue with me, just think about what you're saying. |
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When you need the meat in hard times? Something to provide for the family... Or is poaching still the wrong thing to do no matter what. Your 2 cents? Now if you tried all ways to get food and couldn't get any. I wouldn't frown on it. But I would go to my hunting buddys and ask for some of what they have in there frezzer. I have done that before and I won't forget them for it to. Now if they did go and got turned down and all else failed I would go and shoot the first thing I saw. I wouldn't let my kids go hungry regaurdeless. But I would go and do my best to get the food some where else first. So it is our part to help other hunters when they are down on there luck Just my 2 cents |
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Poaching is poaching is poaching.
No matter how you say it is still wrong. To feed your kids?????? In this day and age get real to many places & way to get food(welfare,church,elkclub vets club & so on. Our local super market even will give a famialy in trouble help & it is not a litte chain store It's TOPS one of the biggest. Poaching is wrong and never should be ok for any reason. This is not the great depresion it's 2005!!!!!!!! MY .02 |
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ORIGINAL: fastfire Poaching is poaching is poaching. No matter how you say it is still wrong. To feed your kids?????? In this day and age get real to many places & way to get food(welfare,church,elkclub vets club & so on. Our local super market even will give a famialy in trouble help & it is not a litte chain store It's TOPS one of the biggest. Poaching is wrong and never should be ok for any reason. This is not the great depresion it's 2005!!!!!!!! MY .02 |
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ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter ORIGINAL: fastfire Poaching is poaching is poaching. No matter how you say it is still wrong. To feed your kids?????? In this day and age get real to many places & way to get food(welfare,church,elkclub vets club & so on. Our local super market even will give a famialy in trouble help & it is not a litte chain store It's TOPS one of the biggest. Poaching is wrong and never should be ok for any reason. This is not the great depresion it's 2005!!!!!!!! MY .02 It takes a while for comp to start so i was in trouble & went down & got food stamps till I could get back on my feet again so I do have a idea how the system works & still believe that to poach is only hurting not only your self but also everyother hunter. I'f you can't get the help you should beable to then you have done somthing wrong. |
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I have alot more respect for a poacher feeding his family then a welfare moocher. At least the poacher is putting some physical effort into it.
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I have alot more respect for a poacher feeding his family then a welfare moocher. At least the poacher is putting some physical effort into it. I lived my whole life in WV and Ky, and know a bunch of people who said they had too for the family and all. But most of them was too lazy to work, big drunks, couldn't hold a job down like my ex father inlaw, and then bought home the big rack they got at night. Hey, I lost my dad at 6mo old to a war, my mother had to raise my bother and me and go to nursing school, and we always had food on the table. Yea, we had to raise a garden and most of the family had chickens and all to help us. I managed to get a scholarship to a college and have been an engineer for 12 years. If we can make it, they can too. |
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ORIGINAL: Maineguide5424 I have alot more respect for a poacher feeding his family then a welfare moocher. At least the poacher is putting some physical effort into it. i have a broken hip & can't work the misses had to quite work to take care of me when we could we both went back to work. so stick it. |
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ORIGINAL: fastfire ORIGINAL: Maineguide5424 I have alot more respect for a poacher feeding his family then a welfare moocher. At least the poacher is putting some physical effort into it. i have a broken hip & can't work the misses had to quite work to take care of me when we could we both went back to work. so stick it. |
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ORIGINAL: Maineguide5424 I have alot more respect for a poacher feeding his family then a welfare moocher. At least the poacher is putting some physical effort into it. |
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Heck of a point you got there jones. Kinda hard to argue when you put it like that.
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POACHING IS POACHING WHICH IS ILLEGAL. THERE ARE ALWAYS ALTERNATIVES.
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