NY considers ban on 50 caliber rifles
06-25-2004, 08:52 PM
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NY considers ban on 50 caliber rifles
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...storyID=232052
Would this make 50 cal muzzleloaders illegal??
WTF??.......it seems like they are after some huge powerful target models that weigh in excess of 50lbs but it's crap like this that opens the door to getting your hunting rifle taken away next.
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State considers becoming first to ban .50-caliber rifle
Silver cites attack fears, but target shooters say weapons are ill-suited for such purposes
By MICHAEL GORMLEY, Associated Press
First published: Thursday, March 25, 2004
ALBANY -- The civilian counterpart of the .50-caliber firearm that became a war movie icon is being recast by some as a tool of terrorism.
On Tuesday, California's Contra Costa County approved a ban on the sale of the heavy, powerful .50-caliber firearms outside incorporated municipalities. Supporters said they hope to use the measure to leverage a broader ban, such as proposed earlier in the state legislature and in Illinois.
In New York, a ban on the sale of the large-bore firearms favored by upscale competitive shooters has become an anti-terrorism priority for the Democrats who rule the Assembly. Republican Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno said Wednesday he is considering what would be the nation's first state ban.
"The .50-caliber weapon is capable of shooting planes out of the sky, piercing armor," said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Democrat who represents the lower-Manhattan area hit in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"Fifty-caliber guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver said.
John Robertson of the 4,000-member worldwide 50 Caliber Shooters Association based in Monroe, Utah, said a .50-caliber firearm is too heavy, too hard to conceal and creates too little damage to be a terrorist tool. He said the bullet creates a half-inch hole and doesn't splinter to create further damage as in smaller-caliber bullets.
"We have a better safety record than your local high school cheerleading team," Robertson said.
The rifles shoot a large bullet and are accurate to within four inches at 1,000 yards at supersonic velocity, then carry more than two miles with declining accuracy. The forerunner is the .50-caliber machine gun that has been used in the military worldwide since World War I, but today's rifles available on the legal market are often single shot, bolt-action firearms.
Today, the rifles cost between $2,000 and $11,000, can weigh 50 pounds and are most often used by target shooters in competitions nationwide. Occasionally, they are used in big-game hunting in Africa, Alaska and some western states.
"If a target shooter wants them, why not?" said Ron Neudecker, who has sold a few of the rifles from his Neudecker's Guns & Ammo in Lansingburgh.
Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Silver cites attack fears, but target shooters say weapons are ill-suited for such purposes
By MICHAEL GORMLEY, Associated Press
First published: Thursday, March 25, 2004
ALBANY -- The civilian counterpart of the .50-caliber firearm that became a war movie icon is being recast by some as a tool of terrorism.
On Tuesday, California's Contra Costa County approved a ban on the sale of the heavy, powerful .50-caliber firearms outside incorporated municipalities. Supporters said they hope to use the measure to leverage a broader ban, such as proposed earlier in the state legislature and in Illinois.
In New York, a ban on the sale of the large-bore firearms favored by upscale competitive shooters has become an anti-terrorism priority for the Democrats who rule the Assembly. Republican Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno said Wednesday he is considering what would be the nation's first state ban.
"The .50-caliber weapon is capable of shooting planes out of the sky, piercing armor," said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Democrat who represents the lower-Manhattan area hit in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"Fifty-caliber guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver said.
John Robertson of the 4,000-member worldwide 50 Caliber Shooters Association based in Monroe, Utah, said a .50-caliber firearm is too heavy, too hard to conceal and creates too little damage to be a terrorist tool. He said the bullet creates a half-inch hole and doesn't splinter to create further damage as in smaller-caliber bullets.
"We have a better safety record than your local high school cheerleading team," Robertson said.
The rifles shoot a large bullet and are accurate to within four inches at 1,000 yards at supersonic velocity, then carry more than two miles with declining accuracy. The forerunner is the .50-caliber machine gun that has been used in the military worldwide since World War I, but today's rifles available on the legal market are often single shot, bolt-action firearms.
Today, the rifles cost between $2,000 and $11,000, can weigh 50 pounds and are most often used by target shooters in competitions nationwide. Occasionally, they are used in big-game hunting in Africa, Alaska and some western states.
"If a target shooter wants them, why not?" said Ron Neudecker, who has sold a few of the rifles from his Neudecker's Guns & Ammo in Lansingburgh.
Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Would this make 50 cal muzzleloaders illegal??
WTF??.......it seems like they are after some huge powerful target models that weigh in excess of 50lbs but it's crap like this that opens the door to getting your hunting rifle taken away next.
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06-25-2004, 11:36 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: NY considers ban on 50 caliber rifles
You're right, they will try to include the .50 cal muzzle loaders. When will they figure out that terrorists don't care if a gun, bomb, knife, etc is legal to own or not. There has never been nor will there ever be a crime committed because the tool used in the crime was legal to have. People who break the law and commit crimes won't stop commiting crimes because the tools they use become illegal. Private citizens with the right to own such firearms is more of a detterent than anything else to a terrorist. With ownership of any firearm, there comes responsibility and a responsible firearm owner is more of a threat to a terrorist than our government.
06-26-2004, 10:34 AM
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RE: NY considers ban on 50 caliber rifles
This follows the anti-gunners MO, and adgenda to a tee! They are again singling out one type of gun, (usually something out of the mainstream of popularity, with a smaller following) label it as dangerous, and seek to get us to "compromise!"
This is a large, bulky, and expensive type of gun, and probably has not, and will not be a criminal, or terrorists choice of guns! But what does that matter to the anti's? It is a big, "scary" gun, with few owners, and it is also not a "hunting" gun! It is the perfect gun to go after in the name of "compromise!"
Going after these types of weapons, is the old divide and conquer method of attack! They figure that not many people have these guns, so the fight will be easy!
Banning these guns, or any guns for that matter, will not stop one single crime!
We do not need ANY more gun laws! As gun owners, we need to draw the line, and say "NO MORE GUN LAWS"
Punishing criminals, stops crime! Punishing guns, invites crime!
We need to stick together, or they will ban all our guns one at a time!
This is a large, bulky, and expensive type of gun, and probably has not, and will not be a criminal, or terrorists choice of guns! But what does that matter to the anti's? It is a big, "scary" gun, with few owners, and it is also not a "hunting" gun! It is the perfect gun to go after in the name of "compromise!"
Going after these types of weapons, is the old divide and conquer method of attack! They figure that not many people have these guns, so the fight will be easy!
Banning these guns, or any guns for that matter, will not stop one single crime!
We do not need ANY more gun laws! As gun owners, we need to draw the line, and say "NO MORE GUN LAWS"
Punishing criminals, stops crime! Punishing guns, invites crime!
We need to stick together, or they will ban all our guns one at a time!
06-27-2004, 12:33 AM
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RE: NY considers ban on 50 caliber rifles
The .50-caliber weapon is capable of shooting planes out of the sky, piercing armor," said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Democrat who represents the lower-Manhattan area hit in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"Fifty-caliber guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver said
"Fifty-caliber guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver said
And just who are these "others"? US!!!
02-05-2024, 12:07 AM
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This follows the anti-gunners MO, and adgenda to a tee! They are again singling out one type of gun, (usually something out of the mainstream of popularity, with a smaller following) label it as dangerous, and seek to get us to "compromise!"
This is a large, bulky, and expensive type of gun, and probably has not, and will not be a criminal, or terrorists choice of guns! But what does that matter to the anti's? It is a big, "scary" gun, with few owners, and it is also not a "hunting" gun! It is the perfect gun to go after in the name of "compromise!"
Going after these types of weapons, is the old divide and conquer method of attack! They figure that not many people have these guns, so the fight will be easy!
Banning these guns, or any guns for that matter, will not stop one single crime!
We do not need ANY more gun laws! As gun owners, we need to draw the line, and say "NO MORE GUN LAWS"
Punishing criminals, stops crime! Punishing guns, invites crime!
We need to https://stickwarapk.download/ together, or they will ban all our guns one at a time!
This is a large, bulky, and expensive type of gun, and probably has not, and will not be a criminal, or terrorists choice of guns! But what does that matter to the anti's? It is a big, "scary" gun, with few owners, and it is also not a "hunting" gun! It is the perfect gun to go after in the name of "compromise!"
Going after these types of weapons, is the old divide and conquer method of attack! They figure that not many people have these guns, so the fight will be easy!
Banning these guns, or any guns for that matter, will not stop one single crime!
We do not need ANY more gun laws! As gun owners, we need to draw the line, and say "NO MORE GUN LAWS"
Punishing criminals, stops crime! Punishing guns, invites crime!
We need to https://stickwarapk.download/ together, or they will ban all our guns one at a time!
02-05-2024, 03:12 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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Location: west central wi USA
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I appreciate your passionate stance on gun control and your concerns about the targeting of specific firearms by anti-gun advocates. It's true that discussions on this topic often involve differing opinions and agendas. While you emphasize the importance of unity among gun owners and the belief that punishing criminals, rather than restricting firearms, is the key to reducing crime, it's essential to acknowledge that the issue of gun control is multifaceted. Public safety, individual rights, and societal well-being are all factors that need to be considered in these discussions. Finding common ground and engaging in constructive dialogue can help foster a better understanding of the complexities surrounding gun control and work towards effective solutions.
02-05-2024, 05:35 AM
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I appreciate your passionate stance on gun control and your concerns about the targeting of specific firearms by anti-gun advocates. It's true that discussions on this topic often involve differing opinions and agendas. While you emphasize the importance of unity among gun owners and the belief that punishing criminals, rather than restricting firearms, is the key to reducing crime, it's essential to acknowledge that the issue of gun control is multifaceted. Public safety, individual rights, and societal well-being are all factors that need to be considered in these discussions. Finding common ground and engaging in constructive dialogue can help foster a better understanding of the complexities surrounding gun control and work towards effective solutions.
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