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Originally Posted by nodog
(Post 4036680)
Really, lot of people used to starve.
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Hey pal. :) ASk a trapper if scent control is an issue. |
My dad always said deer have something humans can not compete with "there nose" you will never beat it no matter what you do so dont try. CROCK
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Originally Posted by nodog
(Post 4041682)
Hey pal. :)
ASk a trapper if scent control is an issue. |
Originally Posted by Bukmastr
(Post 4043395)
IM A TRAPPER... Scent control won't help you in any way when hunting deer. :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by Bukmastr
(Post 4043395)
IM A TRAPPER... Scent control won't help you in any way when hunting deer. :biggrin:
Never mind, I found your post (pasted below). Hunt the wind is what I read. I agree that less scent is better... But not much better. Deer have 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ... YOU have 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, and no vomeronasal organ... I believe they can process the scent age by breakdown and know about how fresh it is. Saying less scent will spook less seems like a false statement to me... Wearing rubber boots and spraying your self with scent remover may reduce your scent to you... But to a deer that smells 100 million times better than you with a vomeronasal organ to break it down the minimized scent is still incredibly strong and reveals you were there... Its equivalent to getting all out sprayed by a skunk at point blank range and then taking a wet rag and trying to wash the scent off you... When you get home, your wife is still going to smell it. We are not talking about an animal that can smell "a little" better than us... We are talking about an animal that smells millions of times better. You could take away a deers sight and hearing and it would survive. Take away his nose and he would perish. They rely on there nose more than there eyes, and ears combined. The big point you should get out of this is that it won't hurt you to be clean. But don't limit your hunting because of time restraints or anal rituals that will keep you from hunting when time is limited. If you hunted the extra 45 minutes you spend doing rituals, your success from getting 45 more minutes per hunt would far exceed the "help" scent control rituals do... The scent that spooks the deer is the human scent created as the body sheds dead skin cells. Washing don't remove that... Scent spray does not stop you from creating and shedding more cells. Carbon activated suits don't remove it enough to be effective... Foreign odors could work to catch a deers attention and his focus could make him notice your scent. But I believe if they smell the foreign odor, they are down wind and smell your human scent too.... Our human scent to a deer is likely stronger than that of a skunk spray to us. They smell millions of times better than you or I. COYOTES AND FOXES ARE AMONG THE BEST PREDATORS. THEY ALSO STINK SOMETHING TERRIBLE. THEY KILL BY COMING IN FROM DOWN WIND. My personal feeling is that they don't fear gasoline, perfume, etc.. Unless they have learned to associate it with humans. I do believe they instinctively fear human scent and can tell the smell of a predator. Research shows that deer have up to 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ (that detects scents/odors) in the roof of their mouth. Dogs have up to 220 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ. Humans have up to 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, but no vomeronasal organ. According to my math a deer can smell 27% better than a dog... Every single "independant" blood hound test I have ever seen the dog found the human scent just as easy with or without the scent products... Myth busters did a great show on it proving once and for all, the crap don't work. Scent control means watching that deer don't get down wind or cross your entry path... If you need scent control to kill big bucks how did I arrow all the bucks I have gotten over the years without it? __________________ Dan Infalt Big Buck Serial killer WWW.HUNTINGBEAST.COM |
Wow, talk about a lot of traffic! I read almost all of the posts in the last 9pgs, and I'm very glad to see so many guys with common sense in their heads.
Play the wind. End of story. I grew up calling coyotes, and without a doubt, there is no way to disguise or hide your scent from a canine nose, so I learned to never worry about scent cover for coyotes. Then when I started deer hunting as a teenager, I admit I thought at that time I needed all the clothes and chemicals I could get. But eventually it hit me, coyotes sense of smell is drastically more adept than that of deer, and I had been killing coyotes for many years without using any cover except that which God provided (the wayward winds) so wtf was I using the scent cover on deer for? 99% of experienced coyote hunters will tell you that scent cover is a waste of time and money, the wind is free. It's only deer hunters that seem to think they need all of this hyped up junk. |
Ah, I forgot.
Also as a trapper, I agree, scent control on your trap sets is a different thing than hunting situations. I check my traps every day, and I need an animal to step in the exact spots where I walked yesterday, and the exact spots i caught something yesterday or the day before. the level of contact is much higher, and the frequency demand is higher. I honestly don't do much for scent control around my traps, except wear seasoned clothes and rubber boots, maybe use some attractant/confidence scents from time to time. All I really do is limit my time there. For hunting, you ideally will not cross paths with your target animal, so the demand is different. When I'm hunting, I only need them to come within 50yrds of my location with a bow or revolver, or within hundreds of yards with a rifle. And it only has to happen a few times a season. Like I said, I don't really go through much trouble for scent control while trapping, nothing what like some of these guys are describing as their per-hunting ritual, and again, trapping and hunting are very different games. |
Charlie P -There's a whole lot of "dont worry about scent control, just hunt the wind" talk here.
Fellas, if you dont want to worry about not stinking in the woods, thats fine; but I'm gonna hunt the wind AND do what I can to cut down on the odor I give off. Not foolish enough to think I can eliminate all scent, but I will do everything reasonable I can to keep my scent down... Bottom line - if others want to go into their stands reeking to high hell that's their prerogative. I prefer to be as scent free as possible. Posted from Huntingnet.com App for Android |
Scent free stuff is a waste of money hunt the wind.
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Originally Posted by iowa whitetail
(Post 4043590)
Scent free stuff is a waste of money hunt the wind.
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Taking a shower in scent free soap, washing clothes with scent free detergent, and not stinking yourself up with breakfast, diesel fuel, and coffee before going to your stand is adequate. I'm not about to strip down to my skivvies to change in the field when it's 10 degrees out. Hunt the wind and 90% of your scent protection is Aiken care of. But hell, if people want to throw big money at magical suits, I guess there is worse things they cold spend money on.
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Originally Posted by NebBuckHunter
(Post 4043675)
But hell, if people want to throw big money at magical suits, I guess there is worse things they cold spend money on.
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Even Scent Lok had to recant their claims !
What does that tell you ??? |
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Originally Posted by iowa whitetail Scent free stuff is a waste of money hunt the wind. and wind is free! I do hunt the wind... And do the best I can with my scent. Admittedly, I am very type A. I believe that success is defined in the details. The scent suppresion clothing I wear is just a small part of those details. If I get an extra half a percent chance of killing the buck I am targeting then it is worth it. Minimizing my scent is not something I do because I am, "drinking the commercial hunting kool aid." I wear the stuff because I believe that it can slightly improve my odds. Anything less than my best efforts in all aspects of my season is unacceptable to me and careless and lazy. It seems like I have become the scent suppression spokesperson. I wear it, but it's not like I won't go out in the woods unless I have it. The truth is I've killed decent deer with the stuff and without. I've stated before, scent suppression clothing is definitely not the key to a season's results. However, I will argue to the death that minimizing scent in general is a key. Maybe some guys on here don't have to walk to their stands, but I do. I want as little scent as possible permeating the woods. Maybe some folks have perfect, constant winds every time they hunt. Around here, winds tend to vary a little bit more often than not. If I were to only hunt "perfect" winds, I wouldn't get out more than a few times a year - even with multiple stand options. Hunting mature deer is very different from trying to shoot 2 1/2s. And that's not a statement against anyone that shoots younger deer. Just making the point that you can't treat hunting 3 to 6 year old deer the same as hunting just for meat (I do my best to not waste an ounce of meat, but I also hunt to spend time outdoors and to challenge myself)... In response to a couple other posts, I don't know what moron thinks you can fool a deer's nose that's directly downwind of you if you wear certain clothing. I've never heard a reasonable hunter (that either wears scent suppression or doesn't) make a claim like that. I certainly never have. Quote: Originally Posted by NebBuckHunter But hell, if people want to throw big money at magical suits, I guess there is worse things they cold spend money on. I've addressed the "magical suit" comment a bunch of times already. As far as throwing money away - I paid $139 two years ago for a Scent Lok coveralls suit. Compare that to buying tops and bottoms of any quality warm season set up (scented or not). I felt great about the price. I paid $319 for a cold season Scent Blocker suit that is silent even in single digit weather and keeps me comfortable into the upper teens. Compare that to a $600 Sitka gear suit, Cabela's MT050, or any other high quality cold season suit and the prices are more than reasonable. The day I went to Cabela's to get the cold weather suit I was going to buy a Cabela's berber fleece set up, but ended up paying less and liking the one I bought more. I don't know, maybe some guys out there do think the suits are magic and maybe some guys are overpaying. I'm not one of them though. |
After going round and round on this topic in my own head, I am coming to the conclusion that:
1. If deer are on alert and they get even the tiniest whiff of you, the hunt is over. Includes scent lok. 2. If you are constantly down wind, including your path into your stand, virtually no scent control is needed. 3. If you walk into your stand across the deers path (as mentioned by North22), then scent minimization might get you off the hook and not busted. And furthermore, your chances of not getting busted increase as your scent decreases. 4. If deer are not on alert, the scent minimization might work to a point, at least in situations where the wind is not directly blowing your scent to the deer. This is what a very experienced hunter friend of mine told me. That said, I still probably will not be going out and buying this scent lok product. Not now anyway as money is tight. Rather, I will work on scent minimization and setting up and hunting only when the wind is right. |
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