Lots more, ever use any? If you'd have you'd learn what it is they hit on in an effort to make their clothes live up to the claims. With that education what is learned can be used when buying any clothes. For starters look at the fabric they use to hold the carbon, can't get a much tighter weave.

The clothes are just a piece of what I do and what I do is what I believe it takes to beat a deer's nose and like I said, I've done it too many times to listen to anyone tell me because they can't or more like won't put the effort into beating a deer's nose, no one can.

I also use baking soda when washing my clothes, but that isn't all, I use the woods I live in and at times the wood smoke from the stove I use to heat everything. Every piece of my clothes is kept in it's own zip bag, in a larger zip bag of like kinds in a seal closet I built in the building the wood boiler that heats all is in, It's also a wood shop.

Except for a well seasoned wool coat, all my outer gear is SL and I wear 2 layers of that almost always. The fabric is silent to my rough hands and never see's anything but the woods when I'm hunting over layers of well seasoned under garments and my scrubbed and cleaned body sprayed with Hog's vanishing hunter, even my mouth as it's safe as a mouth wash.

All of my prep would be a waste without clothes that weren't silent and my SL is silent, another by product of that tight weave.

Whatever. I used to always promote the idea SL was junk because with all the bad press the stuff would sit on the shelf and I could pick it up at Walmart prices if I was patient enough. Them days are all but gone so it's time to come out of the closet. :)

Hate blinds and hate/envy is what's blinded many to what SL has to offer. Now the same people who bashed SL endlessly are selling their own clothes for as much or more than SL did when they crucified them for their prices.

When you read the comments to this thread, take a look at the level of experiance the hunter whom is giving advice has... Most, if not all pro's whom endorse scent control products are "sponsored" by them, or are trying to be sponsored by them.
I have over 30 trophy bucks on my wall, most off of pressured public land.




I agree that less scent is better... But not much better.
Deer have 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ... YOU have 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, and no vomeronasal organ...
I believe they can process the scent age by breakdown and know about how fresh it is.
Saying less scent will spook less seems like a false statement to me...
Wearing rubber boots and spraying your self with scent remover may reduce your scent to you... But to a deer that smells 100 million times better than you with a vomeronasal organ to break it down the minimized scent is still incredibly strong and reveals you were there...
Its equivalent to getting all out sprayed by a skunk at point blank range and then taking a wet rag and trying to wash the scent off you... When you get home, your wife is still going to smell it.
We are not talking about an animal that can smell "a little" better than us... We are talking about an animal that smells millions of times better.
You could take away a deers sight and hearing and it would survive. Take away his nose and he would perish. They rely on there nose more than there eyes, and ears combined.



The big point you should get out of this is that it won't hurt you to be clean. But don't limit your hunting because of time restraints or anal rituals that will keep you from hunting when time is limited.
If you hunted the extra 45 minutes you spend doing rituals, your success from getting 45 more minutes per hunt would far exceed the "help" scent control rituals do...
The scent that spooks the deer is the human scent created as the body sheds dead skin cells. Washing don't remove that... Scent spray does not stop you from creating and shedding more cells. Carbon activated suits don't remove it enough to be effective... Foreign odors could work to catch a deers attention and his focus could make him notice your scent. But I believe if they smell the foreign odor, they are down wind and smell your human scent too.... Our human scent to a deer is likely stronger than that of a skunk spray to us. They smell millions of times better than you or I.



COYOTES AND FOXES ARE AMONG THE BEST PREDATORS. THEY ALSO STINK SOMETHING TERRIBLE. THEY KILL BY COMING IN FROM DOWN WIND.



My personal feeling is that they don't fear gasoline, perfume, etc.. Unless they have learned to associate it with humans. I do believe they instinctively fear human scent and can tell the smell of a predator.



Research shows that deer have up to 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ (that detects scents/odors) in the roof of their mouth. Dogs have up to 220 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ. Humans have up to 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, but no vomeronasal organ.
According to my math a deer can smell 27% better than a dog...

Every single "independant" blood hound test I have ever seen the dog found the human scent just as easy with or without the scent products... Myth busters did a great show on it proving once and for all, the crap don't work.

Scent control means watching that deer don't get down wind or cross your entry path... If you need scent control to kill big bucks how did I arrow all the bucks I have gotten over the years without it?

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fabric weave or anything else they claim is pure BS!
You CANNOT regenerate carbon at temperatures that would not also DISTROY the clothing! What do you not understand about that!? I have worked with carbon products for 35 years!
What Scent-Loc claims, AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

I just wear my magic underware when I go hunting. It's way better than scent lok.

Opportunity is how you did it, cut the odds and then try and get that needle in a hay stack. Opportunity is king. Can't shoot what isn't there and over the years a good hunter learns where to be and when. The difference in scent control being important and it being not so important is when hunting an area the hunter doesn't know how to hunt yet, then it is very important. 4 years to learn a property is what I've always set as a time table to taking quality deer, in the mean time, I'm not into educating them on what to look for and what I do doesn't.

I saw the myth busters episode and have seen some tests, they are all flawed, fresh cut trails are what the dogs are picking up and what deer follow to the hunter. Turned up earth means food for deer. I had a bluetick coon hound, I know what he was doing and he was an amazing tracker. He could track down a deer almost like he'd watched it run and fall and just about as fast as the deer fled there. No test magic shows are needed for me to know what that kind of dog can do and why it did it, if you walk there it can follow and it is told to find you REWARD!. Same with deer except deer aren't looking for a man if they are following the trail, they are looking for what made it for sure, but they don't know what did it till they see or hear it while the unsuspecting hunter sits on stand fidgeting, making noise. If it was the stink of man and it was afraid of man it would be gone the first whiff.

Scent Lok is a sham. First have you ever cut into one of these suits to see how much activated carbon they actually put inside one? It's a pathetically small amount. I sprinkle a thicker coat of pepper on my stewed squash than they put in these suits. Second these suits are just hanging out open on the rack at the store soaking up what ever odor they come in contact with in the store. That tiny amount of activated carbon would be saturated within a day if not a few hours. If they haven't been stored differently before they arrive at the store then they are already saturated before they even get there. And of course finally once saturated a household clothes dryer doesn't generate nearly enough heat to reactivate carbon. Thank God too, because heat of that level would incinerate the suit to ash and maybe burn your house down. LOL!

If people who use these suits have reduced their scent level to any degree it is entirely due to other activities like bathing in scent free soap, spraying down with scent killing spray and keeping all hunting clothes in a scent free bag, etc, etc. It has nothing to do with the composition of the suit. It's kind of like one of those Miracle diet pill commercials. Just take "Fat Blaster 3000" eat a 1800 calorie diet; jog 5 miles a day and watch "Fat Blaster 3000" melt the pounds away. LOL! Gee, you think it might be the diet and exercise that's doing the trick rather than the pill? LOL!

You used it? Ever smelled it after cooking it in a dryer? I doubt it.

Darn there are some hard headed hunters here! Scent Loc is for suckers! What don't you understand about the regeneration temperatures required for carbon!?!? It would burn your house down before it regenerated the carbon!

But, but it's supposed to work in the dryer.:) What's 35 years of experinece good for anyway?

You can lead a horse (nodog) to water but he will die of thirst on this subject.

Yes I used it Nodog my deer sighting have not gone down one bit since I stopped.

It's kind of like the laws of Physics! Gravity, equal and opposite reactions, etc. etc. etc.
Hey, it's your money! Waste it as you wish, just trying to help!

Hmmm.... Lets follow the logic here..... Bought Scent-Loc that sat out in the store for weeks (at 4X the price of the regular camo.) Shot the buck of a lifetime the first time I used it!
MUST be the Scent-Loc!
Same as:
1) "Shot a buck right under me, right after lighting a cig.)
So.... Now I don't hunt without chain-smoking!

2) Trampled through the woods like a lost Elephant, stumbled on a great buck!
So..... Now, I make as much noise as I can, to attract deer!

3) Hunted all day, didn't see anything. Walked back to my truck and jumped Ol' Mossy Horns, bedded next to my bumper.
So..... Now I just pull up in da woods and sit on my tailgate!

It's easy to deny facts and science, when ou have invested so much time, faith, and money in the other direction.

(That's also why I no longer attend church). (Organized churches that is).

Opinion = WOM

Opportunity? You know nothing about me. I have hunted 9 different states, and all over those states, 90 % of the tim on public land. I shot mst of my bucks the 1st time I ever hunted a spot... It ain't luck, and it ain't "Opportunity"...
My skill comes from studyng buck behavior and noticing what they do and how they react... Scent stream touches them they smell you. I don't care how much you paid for your pants, they smell you...
I have watched crime dogs follow 3 day old human scent across concrete that hundreds of other humans have crossed since and find the exact trail of the exact person they sought. Deer smell 27% better than dogs... You can't beat a dog, you can't beat a deer.
I use milkweed to check air currents when hunting and scouting. Bottom line is people "think" there scent is blowing straight at the deer but it might not be... Thermal currents and terrain can carry the scent right over the deer or around it... When the deer hits the scent stream he smells you. Ain't nothing you can do to prevent that.
If you have ever been busted even once by a deer downwind while wearing your magc suit, it don't work...
The magic pixie suit won't hurt you, but the mind set that you can get away with something will...
People need to get away from buying "magic" products and focus on hunting skills. I kill my bucks on land where most people have a tough time killing dinks and does by hunting where they move in daylight and making sure they on't see, smell, or hear me... Pretty simple, yet most people don't get it. They want something they can just buy so they don't have to scout or work at it.

I'm with the hunting skills crowd. Scent deterrents are great if your using a stand or very slowly still hunting a small patch of woods. But when your archery elk hunt takes you over the top of one mountain and down into the next canyon you can forget scent loc protecting you from smell. Maybe for stand hunting. But spot and stalk hunting movement is the number one key to success. I have been busted by smell before but not as often as movement. I use what I can to try and cover scent but I don't buy scent clothing. Hunting over weeks at a time using spot and stalk method. Changing clothes often is more important. I hang all my bowhunting clothes after being washed in bags with pine brows a week before the season starts. It has seem to help more than anything. Hunt the wind and when you can't learn to shoot farther or let it go.

I don't need to know you to know if it wasn't for opportuity you wouldn't have shot any deer.

9 differnt states and it wasn't due to opportunity? I don't think you know what the word means. You clearly have had many opportunities.

Yep, movement is a killer and so is noise. My SL is very quiet and one of the reasons I bought it and like it. I'd wear what worked out west and I'd probably still wear my SL if it worked camo wise which I think it would in the Mountains. Just part of the approach and all most all my SL I picked up for better than half price, to insulated bibs, one for 22.50 and the other for 50. Cabela's MT50 parka with scentlok for 22.50, pants for 50, couple jackets for under 90, various gloves and head gear. Many seasons of use now so averaged out, aint to bad. Paid more for my bow than all my clothes including 4 pairs of boots and one pair of moc I use for spot and stalk.

I seem to do pretty well in a $40 set of BDUs... they must have carbon and silencers sewed right into them.

Yes, people can shoot deer without taking any scent
Precautions but I'm willing to bet that hunters that
Consistently shoot really big deer/elk etc. are doing
Something consistently to reduce the amount of
Scent they are spreading about.

I would guess that anything a hunter could do to mask his external scent could be outdone by a simple fart or the odor of his breath, perspiration, etc.

Bukmaster, Very impressive wall, btw.

Yep it can, I use Hawgs vanishing hunter as a mouth wash as well. Don't know what's in it, it works. A simple fart comes out of everything so it isn't a threat, what's not found in the woods is. Dead vegetation and dead animals make a good cover scent. Bales of straw have been used by hunters since there have been bales of straw. Native Americans used to do 2 things to get rid of and cover their scent. One was to stand in the smoke of sweet burning grass, the other was to bath in streams of the area's they hunted in. If anyone has ever folllowed the instructions of SL they no doubt smelled the product coming out of the dryer, it smells like sweet burning grass. I've always put mine in on it's hottest setting, cooked it for about 40 minutes and removed it while still running, hot and put it right into it's own sealed bag (washed and sprayed hands of course).

Smoke is a powerful thing and anyone that's ever tried to restore something damaged by smoke from a fire will tell you, it takes some powerful stuff to over come it's smell. SL come's out of the dryer smelling like it's been in smoke and yes, dryers do catch things on fire, just requires a product with a low flash point. SL also warns the product can only be washed x number of times before it starts to lose it's effectiveness (what burns is washed out). This and more is what SL has hit on and all of it can be done by the hunter without buying the clothes except, the clothes are high quality and mine are very quiet.

I put my BDUs out in the yard for a few nights, maybe rub pine needles on them a bit. I always smell like sweet burning grass, so I've got a head start there.

My only issue with SL is that you cannot completely remove human smell no matter what you're using... just can't fool a deer's nose as much as you could a dog's (as it's been said here before).

If you're going for a smoke smell, start a campfire in the yard and hang your clothes over it. It's a lot cheaper.

Your contridicting yourself.
Like I said, I rarely hunt the same spot twice and am hunting pounded public where success on "any" deer is well below 5%
No 4 year program to figure the deer out... No getting to know what I can get away with...
My success comes from understanding a deers nose, not falling on "magic" products like a crutch, and never letting them get down wind.
If scent products have helped you so much you must have walls full of monster bucks taken solely because of your scent control regeim. Lets see some of them?

What?? Animals don't breath? Why is it ok if an animal smells something that comes out of your hind end, but not your mouth?

Because there isn't a magical product out yet for hunter to buy to cover up their farts.


I see a business opportunity here. I'd call it:

LEAVE NO SCENT "BEHIND" - capsules for hunters full of hot air.

Now in deer-fart scent.

I also hope that everyone in this debate is a ow hunter, because I usually clean my rifles, and I know the cleaners and oils have a smell to them. I don't believe scent lok has put out a magic gun sock yet so it wold be pointless to be wearing your $300 scent lok suit wile carrying an oily stinky rifle.....

I get upset everytime I see this debate unfold. Many Hunters seem to miss the point of the "scent free" clothing lines all together. If you think that anything can eliminate 100% of your scent you are seriously mislead. I wear a scent lok warm season suit and a scent blocker cold season jacket and pants. This is all PART of a scent reduction system - along with scent free shower, spraying down, scent free laundrying, rubber boots, AND most importantly, hunting the wind. Too many people oversimplify this debate. If you believe that these products do not eliminate all scent, YOU ARE RIGHT. BUT, you are also missing the point. I wonder if those that say the stuff is crap and they "only hunt the wind" would spray their boots in ga
soline and then go out. Im assuming the answer is "no". But their argument continues to be that wind is ALL that matters. Successful hunting is complex and there is no one miracle product or tactic.


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First post is to come and defend a "scent reduction system". Sounds like a person with vested interest.

None the less,...welcome to the forum.

North 22 you've got it right, wind is always important
but it never hurts do do what you can to reduce
the scent or cover it as much as possible.

I'm thinking about making underwear with a carbon packet sewed right around the "danger zone."

Filter those suckers out.

And that's exactly what they tried to do mislead people, into thinking they could forget the wind and just hunt,that they could regenerate carbon in the dryer,and that the clothing hadn't soaked up all the scent it was going to soak up in the store before you get it home.
I have been here for years and can't remember anyone using that argument.

It appears to me Scent Lok is trying to remove all video evidence of the bloodhound tracking event from the www. I finally found it on the third pages of search results.


Wonder why?

We could market our products are a combo pack. I see big $$$$ here....

If we could figure out some kind of noise baffle/muffler type thing, we could also market them to newly established couples or people who are out in the dating scene.

No more uncomfortable car rides or movie dates, no more holding them in until your date is just out of earshot, then just blasting away like the fog horn of a century-old lighthouse.

Yep... big bucks there.

Thank you for the welcome, NebBuckHunter. I assure you that I have zero "vested interest" in any hunting products. :) Just an avid hunter that is willing to keep an open mind and look for whatever tiny edge I can get (within reason of course). Honestly, I have a hard time stomaching the professional hunting industry. I haven't been able to watch a hunting show for years and have very little respect for the "hunting" that these walking billboards in camo do. My "scent reduction system" comment was probably a byproduct of being inundated with the commercial hunting world in every page I turn in every magazine I read. Can we just call it a temporary lapse in judgement? :)


Charlie P - we really don't need to start a war of words here, but you came on a little strong, pal. I at least need to defend myself. :)You've been here for years, yet can't remember anyone using that argument? I found someone on the first page of this thread. And I've heard/read a hundred more like it.
Fuhgeddaboudit
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Hunt the wind, nevermind odor...

As far as these "scent eliminating" producers misleading people, that's advertising I guess. It doesn't make it right, but I don't get angry at the company when Nike leads people to believe you can jump higher if you wear their shoes; beer companies lead people to believe you can get a prettier girl if you drink their brand; etc. We've got to be educated consumers and read between the BS for ourselves. Just because they've mislead people regarding its effectiveness it doesnt mean the stuff is useless.

The whole point I was trying to make is that if the stuff is of high quality (which I've found a lot of it to be - but you've got to do your own research), if it is silent, and if it is resonably priced (pretty much gotta shop sales for that), then I like the idea of having a little bit of scent suppresion working for me. I hope it was crystal clear that I do not rely on scent suppression. I rely on hunting the wind. But, I also try to do everything reasonable to gain any little edge I can. They're hard enough to kill as it is :)

If the stuff has to kill 100% of odor for you to consider it to be effective, then I agree, it is crap.
But, if you appreciate the fact that it can reduce some scent and provide even a slight advantage versus going without, then I say it's worth looking into.

NebBuckHunter, thanks again for the welcome.

These are the parts of your routine that have at least some value. The Scent Lok suit aint doing jack ####. Of course I could care less if you want to delude yourself into believing it is working. But in reality it has about as much effect on your hunting success as a lucky hat. And the hat would only cost you 7 bucks. LOL!

First thing you're not a pal of mine. If you think that's coming on strong I think you're a little sensitive.:)
Obviously never was the wrong word. I believe if I asked a 1,000 experienced deer hunters if scent control was an important factor I'd say 950 would say yes.

If you appreciate the fact it's aborbed everything it will absorb sitting in the store and can't be regactivated by the heat of your dryer,(1472 degress Farenheit is need to do this)go ahead and buy it on sale and wear it for what it is decent camo clothing at a high price. I think the advantage is psychlogical which can be important in the woods, confidence is a key factor.

If I bought Gortex clothing and when it rained I got soaked I wouldn't say it just advertising/marketing it's ok.

Hey pal. :)

ASk a trapper if scent control is an issue.

So naked would result in the same experience?