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Old 11-22-2011, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by halfbakedi420
i wouldnt dog this guy...im sure he doesnt feel good at all about what happened. it sux he learned the hard way about checking behind the target...or makin sure of his target from the get..
his son is lucky to be alive, could have easily been both of them.
You wont find me and my kids on any rifle public lands, this is exactly the reason.... you can be safe as all get out, and one dumazz comes along and wipes you out....oops.

Safe practices prevent accidents.

It was dark so, the man could not shoot. Why was his weapon loaded?
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Nomercy448
This topic is getting pretty heavy. Would you all like to hear my story about what it was like in Normandy during June 1944?

No wait, I WASN'T THERE...

Let me tell a story about something I WAS "there" for though. When I was a boy in high school, two good friends (16yr old girls I'd literally known my entire life, did a lot of ranch work for both of their dad's, good family friends, two neighbor girls that were closer than sisters) were driving on a Friday night and rolled their car. The driver, Molly, spent 3 weeks in the hospital, but the passenger, Megan, was killed.

About 2months later, only a few weeks after the driver returned to school, she shot herself. She left a note apologizing to everyone that thought "she had killed Megan", and stating that she couldn't take hearing the whispers and seeing people point at school anymore.

Obviously, Molly felt awful about what happened, but everyone was throwing rumors that Molly was drunk, or driving too fast, etc etc, all of which the state patrol examiners and medical examiners proved false. Very like this thread itself, a lot of people were suggesting that Molly face AT LEAST manslaughter charges, if not murder charges, even though there were no formal charges and not even a ticket issued to Molly, the driver. Molly was still in a coma during Megan's funeral, so she couldn't even be there for her best friends' funeral. A few weeks later, the coma was forgotten, and people were telling the rumor that "Molly was so guilt ridden she didn't even come to Megan's funeral". The worst part was that it wasn't even just the high school kids telling rumors, it was the school staff, and the people in town.

Talk in the hallways turned one tragic death into two. None of those kids (ashamedly, myself included) were there, but they sure did pass the gossip, and assign a lot of blame.

Frankly, no, nobody should shoot at sounds in the dark, but none of us know that that's what happened. For all we know, the dad and son confronted the guy about hunting in their spot and threatened him, making the shooting self defense. Or maybe it was a moon lit night and the dad was carrying rattling antlers hanging over his shoulders with the kid closely behind. Either is possible as far as I'm concerned. I wasn't there to know what happened, so who am I to say how it went down, and what the consequences should be for it? Would you still suggest felony charges if it was the dad, hunting with his son, or the 15yr old kid himself that had accidentally shot the 53yr old man instead?

Moral of the story? Don't pi$$ on someone else's shoes unless you're sure of where they've been.
I guess i don't see it the way you do.I don't think he should ever be able to own a gun I hope to hell the sates attorney sees it that way to the last thing I want to come across somebody like this.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:21 AM
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My question is: Legal shooting light started at 6:25 am. Why was he even loaded up at 5:30 am? DNR regs state that it is a violation to have a loaded weapon (rounds in chamber of a shotgun, capped muzzleloader, or nocked arrow) before legal shooting light.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:41 AM
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It happens every year or so, people mistaken for game animals, I don't understand how it happens.

I wonder how many thought they were shooting a buck vs. a doe? I would suspect does/cows look more like people and a big bull elk or big buck deer.

Either way, don't shoot if you can't clearly know what you're shooting. Blaze Orange should help, but that alone shouldn't be the deciding factor, you can't assume every hunter or human just out on his farm or in the woods hiking is wearing blaze orange.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:01 AM
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Damn this is turning into another Casey Anthony case. Everybody can speculate all they want but it will all boil down to the states investigation. And nomercy448 comment went right over your head blackhawk. The point he was making is was any of the people on this forum there when it happened? No so if you weren't there and you aren't leading the investigation then don't prosecute him. You can not just think on emotion and all of the people screaming take his guns away are thinking on pure emotion. Just like everybody wanted to hang the Anthony woman, and then she was shown not guilty, same here. We do not have vigilantes anymore for a reason.
This story is a tragedy and you like nomercy448 was pointing out you do not want to turn it into an even bigger tragedy. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Nomercy448
Frankly, no, nobody should shoot at sounds in the dark, but none of us know that that's what happened. For all we know, the dad and son confronted the guy about hunting in their spot and threatened him, making the shooting self defense. Or maybe it was a moon lit night and the dad was carrying rattling antlers hanging over his shoulders with the kid closely behind. Either is possible as far as I'm concerned. I wasn't there to know what happened, so who am I to say how it went down, and what the consequences should be for it? Would you still suggest felony charges if it was the dad, hunting with his son, or the 15yr old kid himself that had accidentally shot the 53yr old man instead?

Moral of the story? Don't pi$$ on someone else's shoes unless you're sure of where they've been.

I don't think it is reasonable to say "it could have been self defense." Sure, it could have also been lightening that struck the gun and made it go off. Or maybe he was attacked by a nocturnal squirrel and his gun accidentally went off while he fell to the ground. In my mind thats about as likely as the victim taking their teenage son into the woods and starting a violent confrontation with another armed hunter in the dark at 5:30 a.m. thereby necessitating a self defense shooting.

99.9% of the time a hunter gets shot in the dark, its because some bozoo was trying to poach a deer. And I say "poach" because killing a deer before legal light does constitute poaching even when you are on land that you are allowed to hunt. Unsafe gun practices should be condemned by all responsible hunters and gun owners.

If this was self defense, the shooter should explain it. Otherwise, he should do serious jail time. I just had a kid myself and when I'm 44 I may be taking her hunting. To imagine me getting shot in the dark in front of my kid and then having a bunch of yahoos on the internet speculating that it could have been self defense is infuriating. Perhaps when you read a story about a drunk driver killing someone you say "don't rush to judgement they could have been forced to get drunk against their will."

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