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is obama taking away guns?
i wanted mcain to win yall so when obama takes away guns dont come crying to me
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Is Obama taking away guns???
I say no. I haven't had anyone come knocking on my door asking me to turn them over. |
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nope not going to take our guns but he is going to make it hard as hell to find ammo. But I can tell you one thing, the local gun wholesaler in my area is out of just about every gun you would want to order. I've had a gun on order since thefirst week on Dec. 08 and they still don't have any in stock yet.
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HAHAHA i would really like to see him come take mine. There is no way he will EVER take away our guns. The gov. can't even get rid of all the illegal guns that are all over the place. Again i will say, there is no way.
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First, since the subject has been brought up (I was going to post this anyhow), I want to say that I think pistols, hunting rifles, and shotguns are sporting weapons and we should maintain the right to own such weapons. I have to be honest about this though. THERE IS NO REASON/PURPOSE IN ANY CIVILIAN OWNING AN SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE! I'm sure there will be many who will argue tooth and nail against what I just said, but that's too damned bad! These friggen nuts out there are taking out cops these days like it's nobodys business with these rifles!
A great example is that bank robbery they had in California a number of years ago. I think 4 or more police were killed with semi automatic rifles. The local police were helpless against these freaks! Another was just the other day in Pittsburg,Pa where 3 policemen were killed with a semi automatic rifle. An AK47 I believe it was. I'm quite sure there are many others on record. Come on here. We really don't need these kinds of rifles to be able to have fun at the range. There are WAAAY too many other choices available to us as sportsmen. To the guys that say it's our right to own these weapons, then why shouldn't we be able to own grenades and rocket launchers? I'm very sure they would be a lot of fun to play with as well. Seriously, we need to draw the line somewhere! If Obama takes away semi automatic weapons, I'm all for it. We need to start thinking about these guys out there putting their lives on the line every day for our own peace of mind. Let's try to keep this a friendly discussion. I'm sure some will agree with me and there will perhaps be at least as many who don't. I'm looking forward to hearing what folks think about this issue. |
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automatic weapons are already illegal
There is a SEMI AUTO version of ak's and such that is legal and should be allowed to stay that way |
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Sorry, I meant semi-automatic. I will change that, but won't change my opinion! Also, semi auto's are easily made into auto's.;)
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Oh, I guess the only way to restrict gun ownership is come to your door and take em? What about restrictions on buying future guns that obama wants to ban w/ his new AWB he wants? what about taxing the crap out of guns and ammo? what about democrat proposals to ban 223 308 and even any ammo that will penetrate a kvelar vest, which includes all centerfire hunting ammo, these bills are already out there and he can do what he want with his near super majorites in the house and senate.
Heck his election alone caused people w/ good reason to buy up as much guns and ammo as they can, causeing the prices to skyrocket. ATF even just changed the 4473 forms (new yellow ones)right after his anugeration to make it even harder for average citizens to pass nics checks. I think gun owners are heading down a bumpy road in the next 4 -8 years, no doubt about it! Wake the heck up ,he doesnt have to send the ATF to your house to restict gun ownership but I bet if he did, all the tough talkers would crap their pants and open their gun safes. |
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early in,
I have to disagree with you. A restriction of semi-automatic rifles would be a first step toward much more restrictive gun legislation. It is true that some Semi-automatic's can be made automatic relatively easily but that is against the law. It seems to reason that if a person is willing to break the law buy altering their firearm then they would be willing to break the law and find a way to get an automatic on the black market. Something that is not that hard to do either. I have a Marlin Model 60 .22 rifle. It is a tube fed semi-automatic. Should that be illegal also? What about handguns that are semi-automatic? I respect your opinion but I still have to respectfully disagree. |
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ORIGINAL: early in First, since the subject has been brought up (I was going to post this anyhow), I want to say that I think pistols, hunting rifles, and shotguns are sporting weapons and we should maintain the right to own such weapons. I have to be honest about this though. THERE IS NO REASON/PURPOSE IN ANY CIVILIAN OWNING AN SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE! I'm sure there will be many who will argue tooth and nail against what I just said, but that's too damned bad! These friggen nuts out there are taking out cops these days like it's nobodys business with these rifles! A great example is that bank robbery they had in California a number of years ago. I think 4 or more police were killed with semi automatic rifles. The local police were helpless against these freaks! Another was just the other day in Pittsburg,Pa where 3 policemen were killed with a semi automatic rifle. An AK47 I believe it was. I'm quite sure there are many others on record. Come on here. We really don't need these kinds of rifles to be able to have fun at the range. There are WAAAY too many other choices available to us as sportsmen. To the guys that say it's our right to own these weapons, then why shouldn't we be able to own grenades and rocket launchers? I'm very sure they would be a lot of fun to play with as well. Seriously, we need to draw the line somewhere! If Obama takes away semi automatic weapons, I'm all for it. We need to start thinking about these guys out there putting their lives on the line every day for our own peace of mind. Let's try to keep this a friendly discussion. I'm sure some will agree with me and there will perhaps be at least as many who don't. I'm looking forward to hearing what folks think about this issue. Its simple, guns are tools, what makes them deadly is the hand that wields them. Whats more dangerous , a single shot 22 in the hands of a murderous street thug or a fully automatic AK 47 in the hand of a honest hard working law abiding citizen? When are folks gonna realize if you want to stop crime you must control criminals not guns!if a muderer wants to kill, even on a mass scale he will do it no matter what, and he will find a way and a weapon to do it w/. As far as banning a weapon cause you dont see a reason to own it ,thats ridiculous! Whos to say what one needs? Once you make the case there are guns that should be restricted on the bassis of "need" ,where does it end? 1st its the fully autos then it the semi autos then it anything w/ a detach. mag then its any thing that holds more 10, then 6 then 3 rnds and so on...Heck there are some in the archery forum that would do away w/ gun hunting altogether if they could and their supposed to be on "our " side. The point is once you set presidence to restrict guns in any way ,you allow the case to be made to keep restricting them, so I say give them NOTHING!!!!!! If you want to stop criminals from mowing down cops and school kids, lock these pricks up and throw away the key or better yet, destroy them like the vermin they are! Whats even better, give non felons nation wide the right to carry and protect themselves against these thugs. now doesnt that make more sense than "banning" an in animate hunk of steel and wood? |
RE: is obama taking away guns?
i think he might take away handguns
MAYBE semi-autos |
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THERE IS NO REASON/PURPOSE IN ANY CIVILIAN OWNING AN SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE! Please explain to me how a semi automatic AR15, AK47, FS2000, SCAR, etc... etc... differs in any wayto the other "sporting" semi auto rifles other than their looks. I will change that, but won't change my opinion! Also, semi auto's are easily made into auto's.;) DUI is illegal yet people do it every single night and kill hundreds of people daily.Are you in favor of banningalcohol? Drugs are illegal and have been banned for years but have not been stopped. Billions of dollars are wasted every year fighting an unwinnable "war on drugs". Should we waste tax payers money banning them a second time because it is obvious that the criminals did not get the memo the first time. I am sure that if we told them again they would stop. NEWS FLASH... THE 2ND AMENDMENT DOES NOT PROTECT "SPORTING FIREARMS" IT IS THERE TO ASSURE THE AMERICAN CITIZEN THAT "WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE THE POWER TO ABOLISH A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND START OVER SHOULD THE NEED ARISE. Hunting is a provelage, you do not have the right to hunt but you do have the right to protect yourself and your family against threats by what ever means necessary. Fact: People that are going to kill another human for no reason will kill them with what ever means they have at their disposal when the time comes. Criminals do not care what laws are in place. Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't murder illegal? Is murder going to stop is we took away all semi auto rifles? Is murder with a semi auto rifles any more or less heinous than murder with a base ball bat or single shot handi rifle? Law abiding citizens do not go out and murder people or assault people. We are responsible citizens of this country. We do not change our firearms into fully automatic firearms because it is against the law. We do not go into colleges and kill every one we see. Criminals do this. There will ALWAYS be criminals in the human race. You can't do anything about it. WHat you can do is enforce all of the thousands of gun lawsthat are currently enforceable now. We could make sure that people that commit murder are in return murdered by the state instead of letting them go free in 7 - 10 years. Fact: Gun owners like yourself are the absolute biggest threat to gun ownership this country has and if this is your line of thinking I consider you a topthreat to my rights and this countries constitution and at the top of my list of enemies. |
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I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading!! As many have pointed out, any restriction on guns is just one step towads an all out ban. Sorry, but it's a stupid comment for anyone to make (especially a fellow hunter), saying that I shouldn't be able to use my semi-auomatic 12ga to hunt pheasants or my ruger 10/22 to plink gophers... Divide and conquer, that's how this stuff happens - that's why all gun owners need to stick together. I don't currently own an AR-15 or pistol, but I'll fight tooth and nail to keep my rights to be able to own one in the future....
Sure seems like the media is buttering up the americian public for a new push for more restrictive gun regulations.... Drunk and impaired drivers kill way more many people than guns ever will, but yet you rarley hear anything from the media calling for more restirctions and the majority of DWI accidents don't even make the news.... |
RE: is obama taking away guns?
Fact: Gun owners like yourself are the absolute biggest threat to gun ownership this country has and if this is your line of thinking I consider you a top threat to my rights and this countries constitution and at the top of my list of enemies. |
RE: is obama taking away guns?
[quote]ORIGINAL: early in
THERE IS NO REASON/PURPOSE IN ANY CIVILIAN OWNING AN SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis There are plenty of reasons/purposes. and I too regard YOU as a threat toMY rights. Listen to minute 4:15 please pay even closer attention to Penn and Teller at the end. |
RE: is obama taking away guns?
ORIGINAL: muzzlenut early in, I have to disagree with you. A restriction of semi-automatic rifles would be a first step toward much more restrictive gun legislation. It is true that some Semi-automatic's can be made automatic relatively easily but that is against the law. It seems to reason that if a person is willing to break the law buy altering their firearm then they would be willing to break the law and find a way to get an automatic on the black market. Something that is not that hard to do either. I have a Marlin Model 60 .22 rifle. It is a tube fed semi-automatic. Should that be illegal also? What about handguns that are semi-automatic? I respect your opinion but I still have to respectfully disagree. |
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Just me two cents worth.
I agree with Bigbulls, I am a law enforcement officer and our biggest concern for line of duty deaths are vehicles and not weapons. More officers are killed in the line of duty by vehicle accidents than all other ways combined. More people in this country are killed by vehicles than guns but we don't hear about the govt trying to ban vehicles. Driving is not even a Constitutional Right like the Right to Bear Arms,it is a privledge that requires great responsibility like owing guns does. I am willing to make a bet with anyone that if you but a loaded gun on a table and nobody touches it at all, then I would guarentee that gun would not kill/hurt anyone. It is not the gun that kills/hurts people it is the person behind it who pulls the trigger that kills/hurts people. I work in DC where they have some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. If gun control works so well then why does this city take guns of the street weekly if not daily. Lets enforce the laws we do have and also start lobbying the judges in the court system to keep dangerous PEOPLE off the streets. |
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Drunk and impaired drivers kill way more many people than guns ever will, but yet you rarley hear anything from the media calling for more restirctions and the majority of DWI accidents don't even make the news.... Rapists and murderers,on average, serveaproximately6 - 8years in total prison or jail time. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/psatsfv.pdf Why don't we either keep them in prison or kill them so they can nevercommitthese crimesever again. And we have fellow gun owners and hunters that want to restrict my right to own firearms. [:@] |
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Early in, What firearms do you own?
Do you own any semi auto 22's, centerfire rifles, shotguns, pistols? Please back up your argument with some actual hard facts. |
RE: is obama taking away guns?
ORIGINAL: bigbulls THERE IS NO REASON/PURPOSE IN ANY CIVILIAN OWNING AN SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE! Please explain to me how a semi automatic AR15, AK47, FS2000, SCAR, etc... etc... differs in any way to the other "sporting" semi auto rifles other than their looks. I will change that, but won't change my opinion! Also, semi auto's are easily made into auto's.;) DUI is illegal yet people do it every single night and kill hundreds of people daily. Are you in favor of banning alcohol? Drugs are illegal and have been banned for years but have not been stopped. Billions of dollars are wasted every year fighting an unwinnable "war on drugs". Should we waste tax payers money banning them a second time because it is obvious that the criminals did not get the memo the first time. I am sure that if we told them again they would stop. NEWS FLASH... THE 2ND AMENDMENT DOES NOT PROTECT "SPORTING FIREARMS" IT IS THERE TO ASSURE THE AMERICAN CITIZEN THAT "WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE THE POWER TO ABOLISH A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND START OVER SHOULD THE NEED ARISE. Hunting is a provelage, you do not have the right to hunt but you do have the right to protect yourself and your family against threats by what ever means necessary. Fact: People that are going to kill another human for no reason will kill them with what ever means they have at their disposal when the time comes. Criminals do not care what laws are in place. Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't murder illegal? Is murder going to stop is we took away all semi auto rifles? Is murder with a semi auto rifles any more or less heinous than murder with a base ball bat or single shot handi rifle? Law abiding citizens do not go out and murder people or assault people. We are responsible citizens of this country. We do not change our firearms into fully automatic firearms because it is against the law. We do not go into colleges and kill every one we see. Criminals do this. There will ALWAYS be criminals in the human race. You can't do anything about it. WHat you can do is enforce all of the thousands of gun laws that are currently enforceable now. We could make sure that people that commit murder are in return murdered by the state instead of letting them go free in 7 - 10 years. Fact: Gun owners like yourself are the absolute biggest threat to gun ownership this country has and if this is your line of thinking I consider you a top threat to my rights and this countries constitution and at the top of my list of enemies. Whats the diff between these rifles? Nothing! All semi's should be illegal. Why? Because of their ability to spit bullets out at an undefendable rate, often at distances that can't be achieved with ordinary handguns. My thinking isn't a threat either, because I'm not saying take all guns, just the semi automatic rifles. I hunt only with a bow and you almost never get a second shot anyway. Your other analogies are unrealistic. Just for the record I didn't vote for Obama, but he just might be the man who takes your semi off of you. One other thing, I'm not the originator of this line of thought either.;) |
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ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: muzzlenut early in, I have to disagree with you. A restriction of semi-automatic rifles would be a first step toward much more restrictive gun legislation. It is true that some Semi-automatic's can be made automatic relatively easily but that is against the law. It seems to reason that if a person is willing to break the law buy altering their firearm then they would be willing to break the law and find a way to get an automatic on the black market. Something that is not that hard to do either. I have a Marlin Model 60 .22 rifle. It is a tube fed semi-automatic. Should that be illegal also? What about handguns that are semi-automatic? I respect your opinion but I still have to respectfully disagree. |
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I would get started in this thread, but there is no need to because you can't explain anything to someone who is paranoid of "gun" issues.
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ORIGINAL: early in You agree how easy it is to turn a semi automatic into an atuto (and it is) and say it's against the law (and it is), but so is killing police officers. But they do it all the time![:@] |
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ORIGINAL: bigbulls Early in, What firearms do you own? Do you own any semi auto 22's, centerfire rifles, shotguns, pistols? Please back up your argument with some actual hard facts. |
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I am NOT saying anything about taking away our right to have guns, I'm just saying a restriction on semi automatic weapons would help keep some of these cops from getting slaughtered.
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These friggen nuts out there are taking out cops these days like it's nobodys business with these rifles! .... A great example is that bank robbery they had in California a number of years ago. I think 4 or more police were killed with semi automatic rifles. The local police were helpless against these freaks! Another was just the other day in Pittsburg,Pa where 3 policemen were killed with a semi automatic rifle. Reducing gun crime is certainly an important thing to do, but you do not do it by punishing law abiding citizens. Just because some people speed, drink and drive, text and drive, etc., does that mean you should be punished for being a safe driver? Of course not. Neither should gun owners who obey the law. If you want to reduce gun crime, you do the following: 1. Lock-up criminals for a long time. 2. Put more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens. The more lawful people who are out there that can shoot back, the safer society is as a whole. I'm sure there will be many who will argue tooth and nail against what I just said, but that's too damned bad! .... Let's try to keep this a friendly discussion. |
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ORIGINAL: early in I am NOT saying anything about taking away our right to have guns, I'm just saying a restriction on semi automatic weapons would help keep some of these cops from getting slaughtered. Even if if you could magically snap your fingers and vaporize alls guns ,I could think of a dozen ways to kill a bunch of people at once w/ stuff I could buy at home depot and a gas can and Im a nice guy:D Imagine what a motivated murderous thug can come up w/? |
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ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: bigbulls Early in, What firearms do you own? Do you own any semi auto 22's, centerfire rifles, shotguns, pistols? Please back up your argument with some actual hard facts. A semi auto rifle only "spits out bullets" as fast as the HUMAN BEING THAT HAS THE MENTAL CAPASITY TO PULL THE TRIGGER! Last time I checked the firearm didn't do a damn thing until a person made the decision to pull the trigger. #1. Answer the question I asked you. I don't care what you hunt with. What firearms do you own. #2. Back up your argument to ban semi auto rifleswith hard facts. I bet you can't! I bet you don't have a single shred of evidence from any real source that supports your position. |
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A pump shotgun can be operated almost as fast as a semi auto Using your reasoning they should also be banned .Then a single shot rifle can kill at a much further distance ,better get rid of those too ,Then the shotguns ,THE most deadly close range weapon , must be banned .Before you know it people will be killing each other with bows and arrows again and guess what someone will be saying that they to need to go
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What, the action on a semi auto rifle doesn't react faster than the action on a single action? Sure it does, because it's either a pump or bolt action which is much slower. Think about it.
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Thank God we had the same guns as the British when we needed to defend ourselves against their government. Thank God our country didn't decide to outlaw lever actions when they were used to commit murders. Thank God our country didn't decide to outlaw bolt action rifles when they were used to commit murders. Thank God the mindset wasn't "you can hunt and target practice with a musket, why the heck do you want something that hasthat many bullets?" With a mindset like that, we can only go backwards and allow others to have the upper hand.
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ORIGINAL: early in What, the action on a semi auto rifle doesn't react faster than the action on a single action? Sure it does, because it's either a pump or bolt action which is much slower. Think about it. |
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All of these weapons can kill or maim. The common denominator for all of them is the human being. As was mentioned earlier, and I am paraphrasing, humans will always kill each other.
If you want to reduce crime, focus on what is doing the actual killing-it isn't the firearm. |
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What, the action on a semi auto rifle doesn't react faster than the action on a single action? Sure it does, because it's either a pump or bolt action which is much slower. Think about it. What you fail to point out is that no matter how fast the firearm reloads and no matter how many rounds of ammo the magazine will hold it is the person pulling the trigger that decides how many rounds will be fired and how fast those rounds will be fired. Answer the question I asked you and back up your argument with facts. You won't because you can't. |
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People kill, not guns. The problem is not the guns, it's the people. Banning semi automatic guns from the people of this country wouldn't solve the gun issues we have. Only criminals would have "assault rifles" if we banned them.
There is no good way to tackle the issue. |
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Agree - there will always be lunitics out there. And when one surfaces, the media and the antis are all over it. What about the armed civilian that holds a would be convenience store robber at bay until the police arrive. You rarely hear about that on the media. Why - because it is a legitimate reason to own and carry a firearm!?!?
I blame the media for alot of the copy cat crimes. |
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I guess according to early in my remington 7400 should be illegal. I know about a half dozen deer that would agree with him cuz they would still be alive!!
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Guns no.........You better worry about the AMMO!!!!!!!!!!
They are going to tax the hell out of it and make it almost impossible to find. Go to your local gun show.........im Maryland very hard to find 223....with the price of brass going crazy and the law makers we are in trouble. Don't forget about the house bill HR41? incoding ammo for tracking....... |
RE: is obama taking away guns?
THERE IS NO REASON/PURPOSE IN ANY CIVILIAN OWNING AN SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE! Please explain to me how a semi automatic AR15, AK47, FS2000, SCAR, etc... etc... differs in any wayto the other "sporting" semi auto rifles other than their looks. Law abiding citizens do not go out and murder people or assault people. We are responsible citizens of this country. We do not change our firearms into fully automatic firearms because it is against the law. We do not go into colleges and kill every one we see. Criminals do this. There will ALWAYS be criminals in the human race. You can't do anything about it. WHat you can do is enforce all of the thousands of gun lawsthat are currently enforceable now. We could make sure that people that commit murder are in return murdered by the state instead of letting them go free in 7 - 10 years. Fact: Gun owners like yourself are the absolute biggest threat to gun ownership this country has and if this is your line of thinking I consider you a topthreat to my rights and this countries constitution and at the top of my list of enemies. [/quote]You hit the nail on the head big bulls. Great points!! |
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Early in,
I do'nt know you from "johnny bravo" but you've sure opened the door for some judgmental accusations. Are you trying to say that a semi-auto is more dangerous than a bolt action, single action, double action, or pump action? Let me assure you thatit really does'nt make a **** what type action it is, in the wrong hands it's BAD NEWS!!Guys like you need to think before you speak. Do you really think that a semi-auto ban will keeppeople from losing their lives to violent criminals? Like i said, you've opened yourself up for some judgement here. A good shooter with a bolt action is far scarier to me than a bad shooter with a semi-auto. Our (honest, God fearing people) best defense for this is to be ready with the weapon of choice for each individual,and yes that may evenmean semi-autosfor some people. IMO,you should've kept that comment to yourself 'cause you sure hav'nt done yourself any favors!!!  By the way, a pump action is faster than a semi-auto, just ask Tom Knepp (Benelli's exhibition shooter).:D |
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