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Your own single shot or bolt action 30.06 can do just as much as if not more damage in the wrong hands. Distance and accuracy come into play also, not just pulling the trigger quickly. shotguns can do it and even your hoyt could do it..

I pretty well lost all respect for you at this point, sorry.. You should really take a closer look at what your saying cuz your off base.

Banning semi autos would just be one more step in banning all of them. they can all do damage in the wrong hands..

do you think for one minute that if they take semi autos away from law abiding citizens and hunters that the criminals will just walk their unregistered guns right on in and turn them over.. Ya right.. The ones breaking the law will be the only ones left with them. Full Auto is already against the law.. ok fine, I can see that and I don't argue it.. But semi autos?? Give me a break..

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With all the recent killing in the news Obama and company will be out for blood as soon as he returns.The ultra biased media is already laying the ground work.Game on folks!!!!!

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By that rationale, if bolt actions had been illegal, JFK would not have been assassinated. ANY form of gun control is a futile attempt as far as public safety goes. What it does do is make it easier for a government to control its citizens without the fear of an uprising, you know, like the uprising that started the revolution. That is a tactic that Hitler used with his people.

Britain has a total gun ban that just started with various individual forms of strict control on handguns and specific weapons. It hasn't worked for them as they have seen violent gun crimes rise since 1997, the only difference is that a law abiding citizen there can't defend themselves. Same thing in Australia.

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Early in, I hope your just a kid. If you are, don't worry, you will grow out of the phase that you are in. I'm not saying this being a smart a$$, I mean it. I think most of us went through a period in our lives where we were wrong on some very important issues. Your heart is in the right place, it's your brain that needs to be dislodged from the uncomfortable spot it has been crammed in. These times are tuff, and the way people feel about these kind of issues could make them draw a line in the sand.

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FOR THE FUTURE ITS TOO LATE FOR THIS POST, can you imagine the insult early would have felt if everyone had ignored this post.

Martin

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Yes, you guys are right. No matter what regulations are out there guns will somehow get into the hands of the worst kind of people. I was looking at it much too idealistically. Just for the record, I do own a shotgun.

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The Second Amendment has absolutely NOTHING to do with hunting and sport shooting!
The Second Amendment is the individual right to protect ourselves from those who would oppress us, including our own government, should they turn on us!
EVERYTHING we as Americans hold dear is protected by the Second Amendment!
And as our Forefathers wisely said, "Anyone who would trade freedom for security, deserves neither!"

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Should they turn on us????!!!!They did that a L-O-N-G time ago.The guys that fought and gave us our country would be sickened by what we have allowed to happen.

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Sadly, you are very correct! The Constitution has been trampled and torn apart since the early 1800's!
The wisdom of our Forefathers was to trust in individual rights and state rights, fearing what a central government could become! The federal government did not have ANY power that was not given to it by the people!
That is certainly not the case now! I doubt that we can go back totally now, but we need to get a grip on things before all of our rights are given to the U.N. and America as we know it ceases to exist!

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if they would take away my semi auto 30-06 remington 742, which has been in my family for almost 30 years, i sure bet they wouldnt replace it with one they felt was considered "safe enough" for me... a hunter who has taken the time to learn how to handle the firearm safely, and a law abiding citizen. Why should I have my gun taken away because some idiot went and shot up a bunch of people? I sure dont wanna give up my rilfe.

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"Well here what I think abouT "drawing the line" on gun ownership

Its simple, guns are tools, what makes them deadly is the hand that wields them. Whats more dangerous , a single shot 22 in the hands of a murderous street thug or a fully automatic AK 47 in the hand of a honest hard working law abiding citizen? When are folks gonna realize if you want to stop crime you must control criminals not guns!if a muderer wants to kill, even on a mass scale he will do it no matter what, and he will find a way and a weapon to do it w/. As far as banning a weapon cause you dont see a reason to own it ,thats ridiculous! Whos to say what one needs? Once you make the case there are guns that should be restricted on the bassis of "need" ,where does it end? 1st its the fully autos then it the semi autos then it anything w/ a detach. mag then its any thing that holds more 10, then 6 then 3 rnds and so on...Heck there are some in the archery forum that would do away w/ gun hunting altogether if they could and their supposed to be on "our " side. The point is once you set presidence to restrict guns in any way ,you allow the case to be made to keep restricting them, so I say give them NOTHING!!!!!! If you want to stop criminals from mowing down cops and school kids, lock these pricks up and throw away the key or better yet, destroy them like the vermin they are! Whats even better, give non felons nation wide the right to carry and protect themselves against these thugs. now doesnt that make more sense than "banning" an in animate hunk of steel and wood?"
above quote by DeerandbearhoG

I completely agree with this above statement.
As i have heard before, blaming the gun for the killing is like blaming mis-spelled words on the pencil or pen.
Common Sense, why is it not so common any more.
WE NEED Less government, not more.
Dandbuck

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Here is an interesting fact in DC,the violent crime rate has dramatically decreased since June 2008. This stat was reported on all four major news network. If you remember the Supreme Court overturned DC's gun ban thus allowing homeowners to own firearms in June 2008. The networks failed to mention that in their story. I don't think it's a coincidence because in every state that has allowed conceal carry permits the crime rate for violent crime has decreased. Just something to think about.

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He's not tried for mine yet.What worries me a little bit though is (from what I've read) pump guns are on the list also of no-no's according to the gun grabbers.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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You NEED to learn the REAL facts. Look up the North Hollywood bank robbery and tell me again exactly many LEO got killed that day. And while you're at it-eat your words about those AK 47s being semi-autos. They were Illegally converted to full-auto. People like you have no business on a pro gun forum like this except to provide entertainment to us.

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Just a link to a youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec

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I can put a gun on a table for 100 years and it will kill NOBODY! not one person will die from a bullet shot from that gun! Control the criminals selling/buying the guns before you attack the people who obey the law!

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Huntinglady, That video showsexactly what isgoing to happend in this country if we don't get our crap together. The people had damn well better grow some and begin yelling at the top of our voices that we aren't going to stand for it any more.

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Do you really believe that?

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I agree with big bulls if we dont get our act together, we will be seeing us on youtube talking about it. Gun owner have to band together.

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I see Katie Couric is pressing the assault gun/Brady bill and gun show loophole the last few days in her interview's with AG Eric Holder.She's literally salivating!I haven't watched abc or nbc but I'm sure they'll do the same if they're not already.As always it's all the NRA's fault.

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Can he take them away? probably not, but what so many of you fail to realize in support of him is he will make it much harder for you to own a gun, buy a gun and make it almost so costly you will not be able to afford a gun. This isn't infringing on the 2nd Amendment persay, but its going to in other way. There will be bans on Assult Weapons, there will be background databases, microstamping etc... This is dangerous as it does infringe in other ways. For any of you who voted for him and didn't think he would touch the gun issue, you are a complete moron. Sorry, no other way to say this. Its the truth. You can not support the 2nd amendment and vote for someone like him. If you really think about it, gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. That has been proven.

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Edited for clarity, conciseness, and accuracy... ;)

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right now there are over 8 bills to restrict law abiding citizens from owning guns in our law makers hands. ABC is now running specials on "why do you need a gun" etc.... the recent shootings are fueling this. They say that over 31000 people are killed with guns every year. 55% of this number is suicide. The true facts are 931 people were killed with gun violence. Thats a very small percentage. There are more automobile deaths than that. Lets ban cars next.

The big fear is, they are going to pound the media to soften people up by asking for "reasonable gun restrictions" based on the recent shootings. The weak minded with agree and say, "i guess that makes sense". this is how the antigun crowd gets their way. Step by step. Let me say again, if you voted for OBAMA or any of the liberals you are a complete idiot to think gun rights won't be affected.

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I'll second that!
Not partial morons! COMPLETE Morons!
Anyone who thinks that it "can't happen here" is beyond moron!
Anyone who doesn't realize that they have been trampling the Constitution for over 200 years now, must have their heads buried in Hollywood sand!
Dig into some of the true history of at least the last 100 years, (not CBS & CNN) and you will find that this has been building since a lot longer than November 2nd. 2008!!
We need to be afraid, very afraid................
Of letting the 2 party system continue! Of allowing the Federalist tax and spend, welfare system continue growing out of control! Of letting the apologists continue to apologize for everything America ever did or stood for, dragging our country through the sewer and giving away our freedoms one by one to the U.N.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let the Tea Parties begin!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Early In,

You say you want to ban all semi-auto's because they can "spit out" more bullets that you think a gun should, and you point to the Hollywood Bank Robbery incident as justification for your position. Well, first of all, these guys were not using semi-auto's modified for full-auto fire (which is not as easy as you make it out to be in most cases), they were the real-deal full auto versions illegally smuggled into this country. These were weapons that have been illegal for 80+ years (in most cases). Secondly, it's important to note that, while there were 17 people injured in the firefight, the only two fatalities were the perpetrators, both of whom were killed by the police AFTER the cops received LEGAL SEMI-AUTO rifles (AR-15's) from a nearby LEGAL GUN DEALER. If semi-auto rifles were banned, per your position, the gun dealer would not have had these AR-15's in his shop to loan to the officers. Weapons which likely SAVED several officer's lives. The two perpetrators fired roughly 650 rounds of ammo and killed NO ONE. So the argument that semi, or even in this case, FULL-AUTO rifles are somehow magically more lethal is complete ignorant rubbish.

Let me put it to you this way... IF (and it would NEVER happen, but I'm speaking hypothetically) I decided to go on a rampage, I would be FAR MORE DANGEROUS with my Remington 700 or my Savage 111 than these guys were with their full-auto AK's and M-16, because not only is both my .30-06 and my 257 Wby far more powerful than these weapons, I'm would be able to put my rounds into my targets any make lethal shots. This being the case, would you take my bolt-action rifles away? In fact, if I really wanted to kill a cop, I'd be more dangerous with my muzzleloader than these guys were with their full-auto's and 650 rounds of ammo. Granted, I'd only get one shot before I'd be killed or captured, but I guarantee one cop would die before that happened, which would give me one more kill than these bozo's were able to create. So your argument is fallacious and disingenuous because you attribute blame to the weapon, not the shooter. The fact of the matter is that if a person is bent on murder, the weapon they choose is not important. What matters is their intent and their ability to use whatever weapon they choose. My semi-auto is harmless to cops and innocents, while the butcher knife of a committed killer is a lethal instrument. In my hands, a semi-auto firearm will only be used to SAVE lives, and is an effective tool for self defense. You need to stop blaming the tool and start blaming the person who wields it. Whether a perp bashes your head in with a hammer or blows it off with a semi-auto firearm, the weapon is not to blame and is not what made that individual dangerous, it's the killer himself that is dangerous.

I feel for all victims of violent crime, but banning semi-auto firearms will only serve to create MORE victims, not less, because the criminals will always find ways to get them despite the law. At the same time, the law will effectively render their victims defenseless against them, and thus embolden the violent criminals who realize that their victims pose little threat of effective resistance. Look at places like DC, Chicago, Detroit, New York and any other city that strictly controls or outright bans civilian ownership of weapons, particularly those most effective for self defense (semi-auto handguns), and you'll see that the violent crime rate is far higher in those places than in areas where the said guns are legal.

Your "solution" is akin to banning the word "fire" from public use altogether , under pain of imprisonment, because once in awhile someone might yell it inappropriately in the proverbial crowded theater. The problem with such a ban, of course, is that a person bent on mayhem would not care about such a restriction, and a law abiding person might be reluctant to sound the alarm until the fire was definitely evident, by which time the people inside may not be able to escape safely. Therefore, the ability to yell fire is reserved to the judgement of each individual, and while it may occasionally be used inappropriately, such speech actually saves more lives than it endangers.

Mike

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Bravo Mike!!!!!! 1 of the best posts yet!

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Early, I don't agree with your thought process. If we ban a weapon because someone (it shouldn't matter whether it's a police officer or not - a life is a life) gets killed with it then what do we do if someone kills someone with a golf club or a knife or a car? I know you love bow hunting. Will you gladly turn in your bow if some nut job kills a cop with one?following your line of thought we should revert back to muzzleloader only. Do you see where I'm going with this?
As far as a semi being faster, my grandpa once flushed 3 ducks and killed them all with a bolt action. I chose a pump action 06 because I believe I am faster (factoring in accuracy) then with a semi auto. Speed without accuracy is worthless. I agree with others who believe banning one type of gun puts us closer to banning all. I also agree that our right to own guns is for our protection from the government. If things go bad and the government has auto weapons and we have single shots who wins? The men that formed this government thought it was important that the people should be able to keep the government in check.
We have to be careful about giving up all our rights because of a few bad people. That's what your proposing.
As a fellow sportsman, I hope you reconsider your feelings towards semi auto weapons.

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you do realize that he is breaking the constitution