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Old 04-30-2003 | 11:27 PM
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The permanant package includes invasive issues such as increased authority of a dept. that never was meabt to have the strength it has.

Eminent domain is used too freely for my comfort in the proposal.

CWD is not spread by the use of bait and is contained.

" Increased authority of a dept. that never was meant to have the strength it has" ?
How long have you been around Mr. Mascaretti? Have you ever read any of the game warden journals from before you were a twinkle in your daddys eye? The authorities they do have were given to them for a reason and I' ll argue that they should have more.
Who exactly do you feel should have the authority to make the important decisions they' re making? We the people? Dont think so! What are the odds of getting 700,000 people to agree on something? There would always be the folks like yourself that only think of yourself instead of whats best for the heritage of deerhunting.
I find it a little odd that you say " CWD is not spread through baiting" and through the other cheek you say " it' s alright to ban baiting in the infected zone" [>:] Double standard![:' (]

Last but not least , show me some documented proof of your statement " CWD is not spread by the use of bait and is contained"
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Old 05-01-2003 | 07:48 AM
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" Second, even though I would never say such a thing as " don' t call in game violations" , there is a BIG difference between this and saying someone supports poaching"
I disagree. By intentionally not reporting a crime, you (not you personally) are supporting, condoning, and facilitating, its occurance. IMO that makes the person with the " bind eye" no better than the poacher he refuses to report.
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Old 05-01-2003 | 08:08 AM
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JRW, I understand where you are coming from on this one. I would call in a poacher in a heartbeat. Just like I wouldn' t let someone steal from me if I could help it.
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Old 05-01-2003 | 08:53 AM
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Jorgy,

I know I am an outsider and straying from the subject but TM is responding to me and I feel a need to say something. So sorry if I am a strayer.

So I don' t agree with Dove hunting makes me worse than an Anti hunter. You seem to be someone that needs to hunt everything, everytime of the year. (your fight for spring bear hunts). I just want my state to be a sanctuary for doves. Other states can do it and so can mine if they feel it is necessary. I am done with this subject.

Question- What is the deer herd size in WI, MI compared to MN? If I recall those two states are much higher than MN. Baiting allowed in those states. CWD found in the wild in those states. Just throwing out thoughts..............
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Old 05-01-2003 | 10:10 AM
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buckmine, I think you are trying to ask TM that, not me, but I will address it from my point of view incase I' m wrong.

First of all, this is an open discussion, so your not an outsider, welcome

Second, with dove hunting, that was TM and I don' t think because you don' t want dove hunting makes you worse than an anti-hunter. This is america and you can want whatever you want. Spring bear hunting is another issue, but I never meantioned it so I will leave that alone. And actaully, yes, I do wish that I could hunt whenever I wanted, but that isn' t how it works.

As far as the deer herd size, I really don' t know, but I think Wisconsin has the highest in the area (Wi, Mi, Mn) I don' t think MI has had any cases of CWD yet either, but if I' m wrong I' m sure someone will correct me.

The statement that WI has CWD and allowed baiting, I will take this one up. CWD did not get into the great state of Wisconsin because baiting was allowed. It certainly may be the reason that it is spread. You won' t get any complaints from me on that one.
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Old 05-01-2003 | 11:25 AM
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You people are all crazy!

1)Can anyone really tell me that CWD is really new? Perhaps it has always been around, and nobody tested for it. Remember when people used to just get forgetful when they got old, now we call it alzheimers and have a test for it. Remember when retards were retards, and now they have downs syndrome or some other specific disease because we have tests to tell the difference.

I' ll bet that it was less common when the deer herd sizes were lower, the deer wouldn' t get as old, and would die before they got sick from something like CWD. So yes perhaps the deer herds need to be thinned, But

2) Do you really think you can rid the world of CWD by killing all of the deer? Give me a break. Perhaps we should get rid of rabies by killing all the skunks, raccoons, coyotes..... It isn' t going to happen, and it doesn' t have to. Rabies is still around, and always will be. As long as we keep populations in check we can prevent mass outbreaks of these diseases.

3) STate wildlife agencies don' t want to do this (except for wisconsin' s crazy method) They make to much money off of their licenses (to pay their salaries) to let the numbers be brought under control. The problem is beaurocracy in action, never in the middle, but jumping from one extreme to the other.

CWD in deer, it' s here, get used to it.
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Old 05-01-2003 | 11:30 AM
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To explain where I was going with herd size.

What is the correct deer per square mile?

40 years ago it was lower.

Of course increased size would spread a disease easier.

I am rattling on so please resist responding me so I don' t answer anymore........

But I will still read these posts.........
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Old 05-01-2003 | 11:37 AM
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Short why did you have to say this...

As long as we keep populations in check we can prevent mass outbreaks of these diseases.
I strongly believe we Humans are overpopulated. SARS

Please don' t take my comment wrong. But there are a few in the prison system that don' t need to leech off of society.........
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Old 05-01-2003 | 12:23 PM
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CWD in deer, it' s here, get used to it
You better worry about it, it' s going to be in your state soon if Wisconsin had your attitude
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Old 05-01-2003 | 12:40 PM
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Short: Last time I checked, skunk hunting wasn' t quite generating a billion dollars a year into the Wisconsin economy. Deer hunting does. Also for your information, there are numerous state agencies that can only wish they had done what ours is trying to do. Many others with their fingers crossed hopeing it works.
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