shot placement & meat quality
#11
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ORIGINAL: Steve863
Eventhough most hunters are men, I think there are more "old wives tales" in hunting than in most other things! I surely would think that it's best to make the quickest, cleanest kill possible, but I don't think anyone has ever proven for certain on how the meat of a deer killed instantly to one who may have lived for a while before it expired really differs. I don't think it could really be done, mostly because NO two people cook it up the same way(even the same person, on different days) and as with humans I am sure the muscle mass of any two deer will differ considerably which in turn will have an effect on taste and texture.
I also have never bought into the theories that aging the meat, draining it in milk or ice, or any other special procedure will make it any better than just simply cutting it up and freezing it promptly after it was butchered in a clean environment. Again for the same reasons I mentioned in my first paragraph, I don't think anyone can prove that any special handling of the meat will improve it.
Eventhough most hunters are men, I think there are more "old wives tales" in hunting than in most other things! I surely would think that it's best to make the quickest, cleanest kill possible, but I don't think anyone has ever proven for certain on how the meat of a deer killed instantly to one who may have lived for a while before it expired really differs. I don't think it could really be done, mostly because NO two people cook it up the same way(even the same person, on different days) and as with humans I am sure the muscle mass of any two deer will differ considerably which in turn will have an effect on taste and texture.
I also have never bought into the theories that aging the meat, draining it in milk or ice, or any other special procedure will make it any better than just simply cutting it up and freezing it promptly after it was butchered in a clean environment. Again for the same reasons I mentioned in my first paragraph, I don't think anyone can prove that any special handling of the meat will improve it.
#12
Fork Horn
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From: MA
Steve, I agree with the first part of your message or to be more accurate I just do not know any better. However on the second part I disagree. In France it is very usual to let the meat age for 4 to 7 days at a temperature slightly above freezing. It is called "faisander". The meat processed that way has a more gamy taste. Trust me you will know it when you eat it and you will have to drink a good full body red wine to wash it down. Yummy!
Note: If you let the meat age for 6 or 7 days make sure you do it in perfect conditions because the meat can acquire some nasty organisms and allergens.
Note: If you let the meat age for 6 or 7 days make sure you do it in perfect conditions because the meat can acquire some nasty organisms and allergens.
#13
Nontypical Buck
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However on the second part I disagree. In France it is very usual to let the meat age for 4 to 7 days at a temperature slightly above freezing. It is called "faisander". The meat processed that way has a more gamy taste. Trust me you will know it when you eat it and you will have to drink a good full body red wine to wash it down. Yummy! Note: If you let the meat age for 6 or 7 days make sure you do it in perfect conditions because the meat can acquire some nasty organisms and allergens.
#16
The best deer and elk I've had have been ones I processed right away with little or no "hanging" or ageing. Since deer/elk have so little fat in the meat comparred to beef, I think the rules are different in that respect.
For me, kill em and freeze em is how I like mine.
For me, kill em and freeze em is how I like mine.
#17
I agree with steve863. Meat does not age so fast that the quality becomes an issue unless it sits over night in hot woods. Take a good clean kill shot rather than the "MEAT SAVING" shot.
http://www.wideworldofhunting.com/shot%20placement.html
Me personally, I like a high shoulder shot. Breaks the animal down immediately. Possibly breaking the neck.
Clean meat, vac pack and freeze right away. Never soak in milk or water. Always tender and clean.
Good Luck!
http://www.wideworldofhunting.com/shot%20placement.html
Me personally, I like a high shoulder shot. Breaks the animal down immediately. Possibly breaking the neck.
Clean meat, vac pack and freeze right away. Never soak in milk or water. Always tender and clean.
Good Luck!
#18
FWIW I don't believe in "aging" game either. As Power points out the process has more to due with fat which game is basically void of in the meat. Aging is nothing more then a controlled rot, the problem with wild game and aging few have the ability to control this process (aka the hanging temperature). If you can keep the animals core temperature 33-37 degree then by all means hang it, if not you are much better to get the core temperature down (body temperature out and to ambient temp- air) then process. If you allow the meat temperature to swing or stay up you run a risk of green rot, which starts at the bone.FYI, being"aging" is rot the higher the core temp. the faster the process. On the opposite side freezing stops the process.
What I do believe in is a relax period, this is basically allowing the carcass to come to ambient temperature and rigor mortise to be completed. Rigor is the processof sugar to lactic acid and then back to sugar. This process is completed within 24 hours of death. Personally I don't like hot boning, it's just easier to cut. As far as hot boning leaves more blood in the package, quality IMHO is uneffected. Tenderness marginally but as i mentioned earlier you don't know what your getting till you got it..so I can't honestly attributeit to hang time alone.
What I do believe in is a relax period, this is basically allowing the carcass to come to ambient temperature and rigor mortise to be completed. Rigor is the processof sugar to lactic acid and then back to sugar. This process is completed within 24 hours of death. Personally I don't like hot boning, it's just easier to cut. As far as hot boning leaves more blood in the package, quality IMHO is uneffected. Tenderness marginally but as i mentioned earlier you don't know what your getting till you got it..so I can't honestly attributeit to hang time alone.
#19
ORIGINAL: Steve863
I also have never bought into the theories that aging the meat, draining it in milk or ice, or any other special procedure will make it any better than just simply cutting it up and freezing it promptly after it was butchered in a clean environment. Again for the same reasons I mentioned in my first paragraph, I don't think anyone can prove that any special handling of the meat will improve it.
I also have never bought into the theories that aging the meat, draining it in milk or ice, or any other special procedure will make it any better than just simply cutting it up and freezing it promptly after it was butchered in a clean environment. Again for the same reasons I mentioned in my first paragraph, I don't think anyone can prove that any special handling of the meat will improve it.
The same pig, the same cook, the same grill the opposite backstrap a week later was MUCH more tender than the first one.
That's as close to proof as I can come up with.
P.S. - The only problem was that I got a little carried away with the amount of salt and there was no need to add any salt to the meat at the table that's for sure!
#20
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2007
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From: MA



I just process my own, then you know what you're getting.

