<u>There made of synthetic material. I'm a vegan so all the clothes I buy and the food I eat have no leather or any other animal parts. It is so easy to live a life free of leather or meat. Theres no need for your type of jobs.</u>

Well Sweetie Pie, I guess with you wearing plastic and synthetic you are a big supporter of the Oil and Chemical industries, Animal products are all natural, just like the Lord intended us to use.
You are taking a cheap shot at other's way of life. What is your view point on mans humanity to man, such as abortion?

Why do I hunt deer ,well I guess because it ain't legal to hunt Vegans. As you said on another post, we can only hope .LOL

Way to go Herman_and_Bill!!!! Your question should shut up that hypocrit. Selfish and self-serving......Saint to the Helpless should look in the mirror and figure out if a Saint would place a higher treatment on animals over babies.

I doubt that Saint will be back, or if so, will not have a good or truthful answer.

Saint to the helpless, I hope you have never received or need a tetanus shot, the last I knew, they use horse blood to make it.
Deer meat really isn't neccessary,but when I eat venison that I killed, I can be sure the meat wasn't from cow a that laid half dead in some filthy slaughter house for a week before being butchered, then dropped on the floor and walked on-sometimes rinced off before wrapping it for the public to buy.. Also there's little or no cholesterol in wild game. I also catch and eat fish.

As I said on another thread, I would love to see Saint's plan to convince carnivores to become herbivores. Besides, as Mrs. Muddy just pointed out, if a Venus Flytrap can eat hamburger, then meat is good enough for me! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

&quot;Saint&quot; to the helpless.

Who awarded you &quot;Sainthood&quot;? I mean besides yourself. Maybe one of your &quot;helpless&quot; little friends?

Why don't you go help some poor little chickens or Elsey the cows that are bred, born and raised to STRICTLY be SLAUGHTERED. I think I hear them calling your name..........&quot;Sainty.....Sainty.....Come help us.....Come help us.

Get real!

Wild animals...

#1. Are quite far from defenseless. Their aqquired defense systems are far superior to humans.

#2. Due to ever expanding human habitats (I.E. urban sprawl) wild animals are losing more and more of their &quot;traditional&quot; habitat and wind up overpopulating. Thus, &quot;thinning&quot; of herds is necessary to assure overall health and prevent overbrowsing of the native habitats. And you don't want that to happen do you, I mean being the plant lover that you are (Remember these are NATIVE habitats and were here before animals AND humans! Poor little leaf bearing creatures, maybe you can save them too by not eating. i.e., &quot;Saint for the leaved creatures&quot

#3. Humans have evolved over the years EATING MEAT. That's why our teeth are designed to tear and crush (i.e. incisors and molars).

#4. I also strongly support PETA (people eating tasty animals) and have an open mind. Why don't you come over for dinner sometime and we can discuss this more further. I'll have venison roast and I'll mow the lawn before you get here. You can have some very nutritious grass clippings. Would you like some dandelions with that?

#5. Get real. I &quot;respect&quot; you're opinion but going to a forum like this and trying to &quot;save the animals&quot; isn't going to garnish any real respect here. It's like a smoker showing up at an anti-smoking rally and blowing smoke in the people's faces, doesn't make alot of sense does it (you).

#6. Most wild animals cannot live a long peaceful life, as you are QUITE disillusioned. In nature, most creatures have to SURVIVE by avoiding becoming dinner to all sorts of natural NATURAL predators, sucumbing to NATURAL weather conditions (i.e. winter kill....maybe you can live up to your self-appointed &quot;Sainthood&quot; and pass out blankets and warm tea when the snows get heavy. Tuck the little fawns and does in real nice now.) Deer aren't going to live a long peaceful life when their teeth are starting to rot after just a few years and are usually entirely gone as far as being able to chew once they hit about 8 or 9 years. How peaceful to live the majority of your life with painful and rotten teeth. (Maybe you can pass out some toothbrushes or give them all regular check ups and cleanings, wouldn't that be nice. You see, quite simply, their is no 401K, SEP, Social Security or retirement plan for these animals. They just can't retire to Florida or someother retirement community to bask and reflect over their lifes hard work. They'll either , be harvested by a predator, be harvested by a (oh no!)HUNTER, get hit by a vehicle or maybe your favorite die from disease or starvation. (you don't drive a fossil fuel powered vehicle do you? They're powered by an awful fuel that is derived from....oh no...dead animals that died thousands of years ago. Of corse you don't drive, that would be in violation of your self appointed &quot;Sainthood&quot Overpopulation of wild game is the biggest factor in the spread of diseases and starvation.

#7. You are obviously a troublemaker that hides behind a keyboard.

#8. I don't go to veg sites/forums and post pictures of gut piles and illustrations of cavemen eating meat.......

Last thing (QUESTION TO YOU &quot;SAINT&quot..........

If we were both in the woods taking in the beauty of our surroundings and the creatures and we came upon a deer, a magnificently racked buck, too weak to walk from starvation (i.e. no teeth left or over browse in the environment) or, suffering from disease. This wonderful animal is obviously in pain.

What would you do? Let his suffering continue? Or humanely & efficiently dispatch this creature?

Now.....&quot;Go Get Ya One!&quot;

One more thing &quot;Saint&quot;.

In regards to &quot;brutually&quot; killing animals. I would never do so! I live by &quot;ONE SHOT - ONE KILL&quot;. If I'm not ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE I can do it, I pass on my shots. I don't think any hunter who is TRULY ETHICAL can ever &quot;let lead fly&quot;.

ASAP!

Good post above, but being a nitpicker, I would point out that fossil fuels do not come from dead animals, but rather dead plants that never had the opportunity to fully rot (they were sheltered from oxygen for a long, long time).

Nate

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Way to go Herman_and_Bill!!!! Your question should shut up that hypocrit. Selfish and self-serving......Saint to the Helpless should look in the mirror and figure out if a Saint would place a higher treatment on animals over babies.

I doubt that Saint will be back, or if so, will not have a good or truthful answer.


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Where did you hear about me saying that I would place a higher treatment on animals over babies? I would treat both them equally. The saint to the helpless is a metaphor. I dont honestly believe im a saint but I do save animals by influencing, lobbying, mainly push for stricter laws on hunting, slaughtering, and research animals. Right now were pushing for a law that will shorten majorily decrease the hunting season, hopefully by 3 months. Just wanted to share that with you and in some states within the next decade hunting will be banned entirely like 6 other states in United States that already are!

I am not a religious man at all but when one of you mentioned about god I had to laugh interestingly enough if you did not know Jesus was a vegetarian and if any of you have ever read the beginning of genocide then you will know that in the garden of eden everyone was a vegetarian. It said there was no violance. Also if any of you are religious did you know that you are breaking one of the ten commandments?? Thats right the little ol unimportant one actually very important one THOU SHALT NOT KILL. It doesnt say thou shall not kill except you can kill the pigs or the cows.

Genesis also says that god placed Adam over every living thing. As far as not killing animals being in the ten commandments, god also commanded that animals be slaughtered for sacrifice as burnt offerings but the real kicker is a scripture that says &quot;Arise, kill and eat.&quot;