[ You have to have it in your mind that it is 100% sure or don't take the shot. Sorry "dude" to me it's more than "just talk". So go ahead and keep aiming at noses and "leading" deer blah blah blah. Sounds like a bunch of lead flying and wishful hitting rather than placing a shot in the boiler room.

To each their own "dude"
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Well, "Sir", if you like that better than dude, you misquoted me. I did'nt say the "just talk" line. And I also didnt say "To each his own".
And your still full of it if you think that your shot placement is 110%. I get your point though. And I was'nt quoting you with the "never missed a deer" line. I said you may have never...ect I also never said that I was aginst a running shot. I just think that one shouldseriously weigh his/her options, and make the best decision that you feel is right. I have never taken a running shot, but I would if the situation was right. I consider myself an accomplished marksman, and still would be very hesitant with a running shot.BUT TO EACH HIS OWN...DUDE

I don't think you are unethical. IMO a running shot lowers your chances of putting it in the kill zone.

Are you allowed to use buckshot when hunting for deer? Not 00 buck, but buck shot?

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Again ... never said it was.I've had plenty of bad hits on deer.Sorry I'm not making it clear what I'm trying to say. To put it simple..... I don't shoot unless my pin or crosshair is behind the shoulder and confident it will be a lung/heart shot. What happens after that sometimes is unfortunate and unforseen (jumping the string, branch, equipment malfunction, etc....) But at the moment of truth I always feel confident I've given myself the best opportunity for a quick clean kill.

But anyway like I said a few posts ago........... it aint worth it . Back to the program. Happy hunting dude.

You are quoting two different people but allow me to comment in reference to the "just talk" statement I made earlier. I too am 100% confident in the shots I take and hope that everyone else is taking shots they feel to be high percentage. But being 100% or 110%(in your case NY) confident in your shot does not guarantee 100% recovery as you said "s*#t happens". So what I mean by just talk is you can sit here and say every shot you take you are 110% confident in but in fact that is just talk because I'm sure you don't have 110% recovery rate or even 100% for that matter so what happened on the ones you didn't recover? I mean you were 110% sure you were going to hit the vitals right? So what happened between the time you were so confident and losing the animal? That is thepart that can not be "talked" about. The things that go wrong ormiscalculations or the unseen branch or the questionable hit or the blood trail that went into the swamp or the lack of a blood trail.

And to clarify more I never said anythin about aiming at noses or leading or blah blah blah, but way to lump everyone together.

OK...I hear ya. Its cool. You as well...I hope my hunting is always happy.

O.K. I'll humor you. IMO there is no shot here due to the distance. That is quite a poke for a shotgun. I know they will shoot that far but that is a little far for me.

50 yards?

I'm not sure what you mean. We can use up to #4 buckshot for deer. Most people I know shoot 00 or #1. I like copper coated #1 in a 12 gauge 3 1/2 inch. I believe there is something like 24 pellets in that shell and copper coated seem to group much better for me at 40-50 yds(that is about my max range withmy shotgun). I have been very impressed with the stopping power of this set-up.

That's what the law is in WV too. I got the impression that you were talking about using something smaller........[]

I do not mean to sound like I am hollier than thou. I am not. Shooting at a running deer is just something I would not do. If you are comfortable and responsible with it Ok.

I just see too many opportunities for a bad ending.

Well I can see where your going with this and in the interest of honesty I will say that I would take that shot. If im hunting in VA and I have 10 seconds to shoot I can empty the gun accurately(3 rounds). Now hopefully it would not take all 3 but they would be there if I needed them. That is 72 #1 pellets or 63 00 pellets. That is a dead deer. In NC you can have 5 shots in your shotgun so that is 120 #1 and somewhere around 100 00.Despite what you think I understand your point and there is definitely validity in it but circumstances and situations and hunting styles are different everywhere and something youmight think is "unethical"may be common placein another region (I'm inSoutheast VA deer drives and deer dogs are common so I probably see more "moving deer"than some others).