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today i was at my grandpaws land and i was walking through the woods and i seea hunter in a ladder stand on the other side of the fence not 10 feet from my grandpaws propertyfacing my grandpaws property. I know they are doing nothing illeagal but are hunting my grandpaws property what should i do to keep them form hunting my grandpaws property

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I would put up a Private Property-No Tresspassing sign right infront of his stand on your Grandpas property. Could this person possibly be his neighbor and permission from your Grandpa?

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Do nothing and stop being so greedy. You have your property and he has his. What should he do to you to make sure you dont hunt what he feels is too close to the border between propertys. Be happy with what you have and don't try to control whats not yours. People like you make me sick You got to have it all weather its yours or not.

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Just put a few chunks of Irish Spring soap on the property line in front of his stand.:D

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mike hill let me say this in my defence i am not being greedy i am extreamly greatful for what i have i help my grandpaw haul hay for a month durring the summerforhim letting me hunt his proportyalso i am 17 years old and any moneyi have goes to building deer habitat on his land all i am trying to do is protect my investment just like you would protect your house against fire or theft

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Sounds like it's your stand he's talking about.

He has every right to be concerned. You know as well as I do that the guy will shoot a deer across the property line if he gets the chance. If you think he has the right to do so then your as low down as he is.

What makes me sick is guys that think they have the right to do and go anywhere they feel like. Why is he greedy for wanting to keep other hunters from his spot if they don't have permission?

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Your just a plain old ******* nicest way I can put it. what are you doing talking to a kid like that? Are you one of those people who do shoot on other people property if you see a deer? Do everyone else a favor and just keep your mouth shut.

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Mike Hill, so what you're saying is that i I can post up a few feet on the other side of your fence line and put my stand facing you're property and you wouldn't have aproblem with that? I think not!

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Hes just some grumpy ******* thats pissed cause someone shot a deer on their property when he was looking at it. lol

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theres only one thing you can do and thats go talk to the hunter and make arrangments. Other than that theres nothing you can do he's hunting on his land and your hunting on yours. Easy as that.

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wow Mike Hill i just lost any respect i had for you

but back on topic, i would talk to your grandpa and if the guy doesnt have permission go talk to him about it in a really nice way

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well, you could legally put something blocking his shot onto your land, that would discourage him from shooting on your land and that way your not doing anything illegal. I have had this same problem.

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The only thing to do is get grampa to legaly post no tresspasing.Call law then if he crosses the line.

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I have had my fill of this type of 'hunter' and others who go even further. This past wekend, I didn't see the number of deer I normally do from an area, so I did some investigating to find out why. i found 1 stand located very similar to the one described here, soI politley turned it the other direction, facing away from our property--with a note. Then I went the other direction and found where the same guy had placed a stand(climber) on our lease, facing and on the edge of the same clearcut that I hunt. I took all the pins out of his stand, and hid it, and will be placing some posted signs immediately in the proximity of his stands, along with a couple of cards I got from a DNR officer.In case some one wants to ask how I know it is the 'same guy'---it is the exact same brand stand, wit teh exact same camo duct tape on the rest, and the exact same rope that is on th estand to pull up his gun, on the exact same creek bottom, just about 500 yards apart. Add to that , I checked, and noone on our club uses or hung these stands.We have 700 acres, and they have 3500. Their are stands all up and down the property line just like this---talk about greedy! These same guys run dogs the last 2 weeks of each season---no dog hunting in this county, and they ride around on 4 wheelers, with radioes, after about 9:30 am, and about 20 minutes before dark. Slob hunters to say the least.

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I don't have as much of an issue that a neighbor places his/her stand near the border of our camp properties, the issue I would have is that it's facing my property. Therefore I would go talk to my neighbor and have a discussion, indicating he should face it the other direction. This way if a deer comes from either direction, he can take a shot. The deer coming off my property onto his and vice versa if the deer his from his property heading toward him. The only issue after that is, depending onthe outcome of ourdiscussion and relationship, is weather or not I would allow him to track/recover the deer from my property. First step, trycommunication.

As for Mike, guess you don't own land and improve the land for wildlife and your family? My property is my investment for my well being and for the future of my kids, grand kids to hunt, hike, atv and learn about wildlife. Not for neighbors to "possibly" shoot onto my land if given the chance, and in most cases as mentioned before would also have to recover on my land. Not being greedy, just trying to be more ethical in the way I perceive how one should contuct themselves as an sportsman/hunter? JIMO.

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There is of course no such thing as "near" tresspassing. Either you are or you aren't so you should clearly understand that unless the guy shoots across the border or steps across the border,there isnothing legaly that can be done.Certainly no legalway to challenge where or the way he positioned his stand on his own property. IMO, building a barrier or throwing soap on his property is childish. Crossing the border and changing how his stand is hung as manuman did is really foolish not to mention arrogant and illegal. The soap thing is surely illegal as well. Don't stoop to such nonsense. Now although you can't be certain he plans to shoot acrross the border (might be using tree for cover for example) it is reasonable to believe he plans to so asking your grandfather to give him a call just to make sure he understands that he doesn't have permission might be a good idea.Any chancehe has permission from your grandfather? In any case, my advice, any time there is a touchy situation like this, is to take the moral high ground and talk to the fellow and make sure every thing is clear between the landowners. After that if you find him shooting or tresspassing then call in the law but like I said, don't stoop to childish tactics that may only escalate a situation unecessisarily. If you take the advice of some here you might even find yourself the target of the legal action.

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most you can do is talk to him...if that dosnt work just dont let him track his deer on your property....

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ya if he shoots a deer let him show you the blood trail starting on his property if it doesnt start on his property dont let him get it but take the deer somewhere to have the meat donated.

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also keep in mind that the guy might not know where his land starts and yours ends.
i know i made that mistake once...

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thats the first rule of hunting your property... to know the property lines.

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I agree with Sylvan. As much as it may bother you, He is not on your property, so the only thing you should do is talk to him and ask him not to shoot deer on your side of the line. As for not letting him track deer that run onto your property, that goes both ways. You'ld hate to have a trophy that you shoot run to his side of the fence and be denied permission. That could easily happen if you deny him access.

Everyone is jumping on Mike, but he's not completely wrong. He could have said ita little nicer, but it is not really fair to try to control where others hunt on their own land. He pays the taxes on that land, right up to the fence, therefor he should be able to hunt right up to the fence. If you catch him tresspassing, then you have a right to complain.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the frustration. I have DNR land that borders my property. I often have people set up right on the other side of the fence. I don't like it, but they have as much right to hunt that land as I do to hunt mine. I try to save the real anger for those that I actually catch tresspassing.

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I agree with everything you said excypt you shouldnt defend Mike you could totally tell the onte he used to a 17 year old kid hes a grade A ******* man go back and reread if you need to

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Considering that I had the okay from the game warden, whom I aided in having 2 poachers arrested the week before,I think you might want to be a little more careful before you make such insulting and baseless statements. I have had my entire season ruined to this point by poachers, and I would like to know how you, with such limited knowledge, jump to such a conclusion.First, I have 2 poachers trespassing during a bowhunt that claim to own the land I have permission from the actual owner, then a 9 pointer shot on the trail I was hunting with bow, with a .22 rifle the night before I found it, a gut pile left at a scrape that I had been hunting, and 2 tresspassers walk in, set up within 75 yards of me, while one goes to another part of the property and shoots a buck with a rifle, that he only wounds and I find it, back track it, and find the evidence needed for his arrest, have to ask 3 different tresspassers to leave on the opening day of gun season--all on land that I have exclusive rights to and bowhunt only. Add to that , that I had been closing in on a huge 10 pointer that I saw the week before, and was poised and ready after all of my hard work to close the deal.I put in 95% of my efforts for the entire season into this land, only to see it taken away by some very dishonest and disreputable slob hunters---and thenI go to my club in Greene county Ga, to find more of the same, take the necesarry and validated actions to rectify it, and you , with a very limited and uninformed perspective, want to call me 'illegal' and 'arrogant'!?!?I have the officers personal cell phone with me for just such occasions. I work hard and have put in a lot of time and money to have poachers steal from me. Then to add insult to injury, you come to a very self righteous and assumptive, not to mention wrong conclusion.

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I do not know this for a fact, but I have been told that in some states you have to be a certain distance from the property line, and you can not be facing the property line. This keeps someone from hunting a property they don't have permission to hunt. Look into that. But also be civil. Let him know that you do not want him hunting your land, but you would gladly let him track an animal on your land, and even help if he needs it, in return for him allowing you the same courtesy.

Just try to calmly address the situation first. And it might be better if your grandpa was there when you talked to him, being the landowner. Just a thought.

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I repeat, it is arrogant and illegal to go on to someones property without their permission and move a tree stand and if you are saying that a game warden gave you the o.k. to do it I simply don't believe you. A game warden has no right to give you permission to go on to private property, they know that and would nevertell you to do such a thing.

As far as making assumptions, I made none. I simply took what you siad at face value and you said what you did quite clearly.... "I have had my fill of this type of 'hunter' and others who go even further. This past wekend, I didn't see the number of deer I normally do from an area, so I did some investigating to find out why. i found 1 stand located very similar to the one described here, soI politley turned it the other direction, facing away from our property--with a note. " No assumptions necessary, you went on to someone elses property and turned a stand in a different direction. If I had caught you on my property up in one of my trees messing with one of my tree stands I would have had you arrested.

Man some people have a lot of nerve!

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I have the same problem. There are two different hunters hunting 5 feet looking towards my grandma's field. This past friday One hunter was hunting. I draged a scent trail right in front of him. Just to let him know iwas watching him. That night I shot a 4pt 60 yards from him witch died 100yards in front of him. TAlk about a bummer. Only if it was Mike Hill sitting in that stand that would have been the best.

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My grandfather had several hundred acres of land that he liked to preserve (and had owned for many many years) Needless to say, there were probabally some nice deer in the area. He had a barb-wire fence around is land and no-tresspassing signs. I remember when I was younger and we would be out on his trails, if he found a stand on the property line facing his land (especially if the barb-wire was CUT nearby) he enjoyed relieving himself at the base of the stand. As a hunter, it seems a bit cruel, but not under the circumstances.

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Well guys mabey I did come off too strong and I am sorry if if I did. But my problem and it happened the day I read this is that where I live in the peoples republic of Mass. is the Boston flight. 'which means all these folks from Boston are moving in and buying giant houses on postage stamp sized lots on the edge of the woods and think they own the whole area they mess with your truck while you are in the woods one day someone even left a not onmy truck saying leave our deer alone and cut down a tree across the acess road so I coulden't get out. And to me if you own it I respect it, If you don't leve me alone. If the guy is shooting on your property he's is definetly wrong. But if hes just close to the border then he is legeally doing nothing wrong and there is nothing you can do without getting yourself in trouble. So again if I came off too strong sorry but Belive me I'm having my problem with people wanting theirs plus more. Law enforcement sucks for hunters they basicly won't do nothing unless they see it happen but don't think they are going to patrol the acess roads to see it. The game wardens here are only interested in catching you doing something wrong so they can ticket you and they don't want to help in any way what so ever. I could go on and on but I'm sure by now you see where I'm comming from. and I got to go get on my stand.

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Exactly the response I anticipated. Now you insult me further by calling me a liar. Well, the only thing I can say is that you can maintain your pompous attitude and your incorrect assumptions--and stiil you are absolutely wrong. The officer's name is Joseph Temples here in Ga. Once again you assume, and that is exactly why you are baseless and incorrect in your assessment. Factsare what you need , rather than your faulty assumptions,and I supplied them for you, yet you continue with your self righteous gibberish. Talk about nerve! BTW, I wasn't 'up in one of anybody's trees'(assumption anyone)---the stand was at the base , hanging over a creek bank , which is the property line, and all I did was to face it the other way.Unless those deer an swim,it was pretty clear what he was doing, as his lease was solid planted pines just behind him.Here we have a man that is hunting over another man's lease, and that also has a stand 100 yards over the line at another point, who is stealing by his actions and you can only point to a misperceived 'infraction', of the law that was validated by a DNR officer, and you don't have the intestinal fortitude to admit that you are wrong.Some people's children! I could care less if someone with your attitude doesn't accept the truth--I did absolutely what I should and could. In fact, by Ga law I could have confiscated the man's stand, yet , I didn't so that whenI find him hunting there, I can return it to him. I removed the pins so that he, if he found it, couldn't use it. The note I left contained my cell phone number FYI, not that it will make any difference to you.If you need any further calrification, I will draw you a picture--maybe you can understand that, since words have no effect.

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I agree. Mike isn't really wrong with what he said. What are you going to do when you approach the guy? Tell him to move his stand off his property? As far as not letting the guy track a deer onto your property? That's pathetic IMO. With your reasoning you should be dropping every deer in their tracks so they NEVER go onto a neighboring property. Keep good relations with your fellow hunters and neighboring landowners. Work together and everyone will be better off in the long run.

A lot of times boundary lines happen to be seperated by field edges, land terrain, etc.... which happen to make up good natural funnels and travel routes. I've noticed a lot of hunting on edges of property because it's good hunting.

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You really should give it up manuman, you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. My original commentabout you was...

"Crossing the border and changing how his stand is hung as manuman did is really foolish not to mention arrogant and illegal."

... and your defense was that a game warden gave you the "okay" to do it.Now because you realize how foolish you've been you are trying to back track and say you didn't really cross the property line in the first place. An important little detail to leave out don't you think? Well, you must think we are allextremely gullable. Now your defense seems to be to be indignant and call me names. Well, you have lost all credibility sir, and I have nothing more to say to you.

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Sylvan, you are a piece of work. I am not backtracking on anything. You made some false assumptions and I spelled it out for you to show you just how wrong you were and all you can come up with is more self agrandizing justification of your poor detective work.Youmake my case for mewith the comment about details being left out---that is exactly the point---you made it necesarry to include clarified details that erase your false assumptions. It was you who assumed I trespassed!I never said I had to or did. I said that I got the okay to redirect his stand! What part of English do you not get? Comprehension obviously isn't your strong suit. You bet I'm indignant--you call me a liar, arrogant, foolish, and accuse me of breaking the law---all based on your self righteous, pompous, self assuming --and may I add again, completely wrong assumptions.How hypocritical to whine aboutname calling!You have nothing more to say, because you would have to admit your error, and your subsequent continued , stubborn refusal to accept reality. No wonder Hillary went to New York to get in office!

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NYbowhunter I dont think anyone said not to let him track a deer on the porperty in question the problem was him shooting across the property line. I suggested let him show you the Blood trail leading to your property so then you could let him track it if the bloodline started on the kids property HELL NO I WOULDNT LET HIM TRACK IT! cause it wasnt his to shoot anyways

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Ok well atleast i didnt say it LOL

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I don't see how much more difficult it needs to be than this.

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LOL I wasn't refering to your post.

If it indicates he shot across the property line than it's your right to not let him on your property. I dont' have a problem with that. Personally I wouldnt' get too worked up about it, we have good relations with our neighbors fortunately. If there was a 150" buck 50 yards from me I would like to be allowed the opportunity to take him if he's on the other side. That's the arrangement we have with our neighbors. We dont' have stands on eachothers property, but by all means if there's a deer you want to take and he happens to be just on the other side (and I'm not zeroed in on it [8D]) .... have at it. But I can see how some circumstances you wouldn't want others shooting across the line. Depends on the situation I suppose.

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O.K. even though I said I was done talking to you, that last line of bs just has to have a response...

No sir, based on your own words...
You said the stand was "located very similar to the one described here". Well the stand described here was "a ladder stand on the other side of the fence not 10 feet from my grandpaws property facing my grandpaws property". So in other words clearly on another property which EVERYBODY recognized and discussed. Not "similar" at all to how you later described it.
Then when I said that you had crossed the border and moved the stand you didn't take the obvious tack and correct me and say that you didn't cross the border but you defended what you did by saying a warden gave you the "okay" to do "it".
Your words clearly indicated that you did tresspass and you made no attempt whatsoever to correct that impression when it was pointed out. Something that would have been very easy to do and would have immediately stopped any further criticizm.
No sir, you dug the hole for yourself and your song and dance after the fact will only convince the gullable. But if it makes you feel better about yourself by all means keep it up! At least your twisting and squirming is entertaining.

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I suggest you talk to him. Maybe he has bad intentions . . . maybe he doesn't. You won't know unless you talk to him. He may lie to you, but if nothing else talking with him will put him on notice that (1) you care, (2) you know what his face looks like and maybe (ask about this) who he is and where he lives, and (3) get it clear what the expectations are.

Maybe he thinks the deer are moving from your grandpa's property onto his property and wants to shoot them as they cross? I don't know if this is a plausible story, not being familiar with the lay of the land.

Talk to the guy next time. If he is a jerk when you talk to him, that would be a good grounds for trying to do something else to thwart his plans -- maybe the Irish Spring on the fenceline?

Maybe the guy is a poacher and the adjoining landowner would appreciate some identification of the guy. Get the guy's license plate number and a good physical description.

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Well,

I'm really going to piss some folks off. I'm a landowner so I speak from experience. You have no right to say or do anything kid. Not only that your thinking is totally wrong.

First its not you land its your grandpa's. Its not your place to say or do anything, its his. Secondly, you don't own the deer. and you can't look at the money you've spent as an investment. Deer roam (unless they are in high fence). Deer jump fence lines. You can plant your grandpa's whole farm up in Mossy Oak Biologic and it doesn't make that 200 inch buck that feeds there anymore yours than the man in the moon.

Whatever happened to being neighborly. Heck, at my farm we had gentlemanly agreements with all of our neighbors about hunting. We agree that if we saw a deer on the other side of a fence we could shoot it. Also, if a turkey we were calling was across the fence we could cross it to get the kill. During small game season we would swing by each other house and ask if it was all right to hunt a certain patch out. The answer was inevitably yes.

Then some @$$hole bought 80 acres bordering me. Now this jerk thought that his 80 acres was off limits and no one should even look across his fence. Your talking about 80 acres bordering folks with 1000+ on all sides. Hell, he spent more time running fences during season than hunting. He'd here a shot and take off towards it to make sure that it wasn't on him. A class a jerk!

I bordered him on two sides of his 80. I have a terrific stand on the corner. its aprox. 20 yards from his fence. Its the perfect "pinch" between fields and large white oaks. I've hunted that stand for years prior to him showing up. I showed up to my stand opening morning a few years ago to find my steps pulled out of the tree and what appeared to be Tide poured on the platform. Now thats downright dirty. I was super pissed. If I would have met up with him that day I probably would have spent the night in the pokey for assault.

But, alas he had a heart attack from all his worrying and the world is a better place now. What I'm saying is get along with your neighbors and chill out a little. The guy isn't going to hurt anything. So what if he kills a super buck right there. You may get a nicer one the next day. Live and let live. So what if he shoots the thing ten yards on your side of the fence. What if you saw a huge buck on his side of the fence? Would you honestly pass up a Boone & Crocket buck because it was 30 feet past your boundary? Or would you shoot it hoping it jumped the fence or that you could drag it to your side before someone else found you? I think I already know the answer.