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Well you certainly didn't piss me off. I think you are right on the money!

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Wouldn't putting things like soap out be hunter harassment.

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can't we all just get along!

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Like I said before, you're at least entertaining. But kind of sad too. Butkeep dancin boy! Your fun to watch!

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Manuman:

With all the different posts going back and forth between you and Sylvan I lost track of what your action were so let me paraphrase what you did so I can go back to enjoying the bickering.

You found one stand on yourlease\property and one on the property line.

You took down the stand on your property and left a note.

The stand on the property line was over hanging a creek, which is the property line. I assumming the stand was on a tree on his side of line, but the stand itself overhung the property line.

You waded out into the creek reached over the property line and rotated the stand so it no longer was overhanging the property line. Is that fair assesment of your actions? Just trying to play the events over in mind.

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Once Manuman crossed the mid-point of the stream he was on the other person's property.

Caldoc

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Shatodavis- Very well put........ my sentiments exactly!

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Exactly right--, well, the creek doesn'thave much water init, so technically I didn't wade---just for those among us who like to look hard for some reason to miconstrue what is said--and, the call I made to Corporal Temples was to verify what I could do in the situation. I worked with him the week before on my private tract near my home to get 2 poachers arrested.I posted that story last week. I spent nearly the entire day finding a wounded deer and backtracking it to where it was shot, and finding the shell casings.This is on some bowhunting only property that I have exclusive rights to hunt. Sylvan, you can have the phone numbers of the land owner and DNR oficer if it is so important for you to scrutinize .:D

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Not according to Corporal Temples.

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You remind me of my 6 year old with that inabilty to come to grips with your attitude problem, and your refusal to admit you were wrong from the start......... Ithink it would be a safebet you didn't get any congeniality awardswhile growingup.I 'd say that it is entertaining, but I don't enjoy seeing an adult act so childish. Your agreement with that guy who found it easy to make light ofa man dying of a heart attack puts things in perspective.

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new light on the near trespasing case i talked to my grandpaw yesterday and we discused the situation and he told me that the guy had be caught tresspassing before. so i dont know if that makes a difference or not.

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The issue seems, in my opinion, what is legal or not. As someone mentioned earlier, there is no such thing as near tresspassing, otherwise I'm always near speeding doing 63 in a 65 mph speed zone. Communication and understanding of another is very important. One should try and put themselves in the other persons shoes and come to grips with what the other person may be trying to say and is feeling. I posted earlier that, "I don't have as much of an issue that a neighbor places his/her stand near the border of our camp properties, the issue I would have is that it's facing my property. Therefore I would go talk to my neighbor and have a discussion, indicating he should face it the other direction. This way if a deer comes from either direction, he can take a shot. The deer coming off my property onto his and vice versa if the deer his from his property heading toward him. The only issue after that is, depending onthe outcome of ourdiscussion and relationship, is weather or not I would allow him to track/recover the deer from my property. First step, trycommunication."

Sure, could the land owner be trying to block his/her silhouette, yes by all means. We just need to go and communicate. I would assume that you would have build a relationship with your neighbor way prior to hunting season. In my situation, my neighbors are rarley around and practice brown its down hunting tactics. Good for them, I don't agree and therefore think cautiously when I see a stand 10 feet from my border facing me. It would be wonderful if we all just got along, but reailty is in most cases we don't. Best policy is to try and respect the other landowners rights and the law, which means if a 150" buck is walking 30 feet on your neighbors land, DON'T SHOOT! If your thought process is like ShatoDavis, as in his recent comment, " What I'm saying is get along with your neighbors and chill out a little. The guy isn't going to hurt anything. So what if he kills a super buck right there. You may get a nicer one the next day. Live and let live. So what if he shoots the thing ten yards on your side of the fence." I would say don't shoot because YOU SHATODAVIS may get the nicer buck the next day, why commit an illegal act for your own personal gain. By all means try and get along with your neighbor, but if you don't, then at least respect the law. When you don't,your areHURTING SOMETHING, the principals and integrity that our counrty was founded on, laws for the people and by the people. I don't condone what the landowner did as far as pulling your steps out and placing Tide under the stand, that was down right dirty, just like if someone shot an 150" buck while it was on my property, dirty. Thinking the world is a better place because a neighbor diedtrying to protect his little 80 acre oasis is just plain rude. After your comment, "Then some @$$hole bought 80 acres bordering me. Now this jerk thought that his 80 acres was off limits and no one should even look across his fence. Your talking about 80 acres bordering folks with 1000+ on all sides. Hell, he spent more time running fences during season than hunting. He'd here a shot and take off towards it to make sure that it wasn't on him. A class a jerk!", I wouldn't want you as a neighbor either. That JERK as you referto was right to say his 80 acres was off limits to your kind, the one's who own 1000+ acres on all sides and then still greedy enough to want the right to hunt his "belittled 80 acres" I own 92 acres and I have theRIGHT if I choice to keep intolerant people like you off. Follow your own adivice, "Secondly, you don't own the deer. and you can't look at the money you've spent as an investment. Deer roam (unless they are in high fence). Deer jump fence lines. You can plant your grandpa's whole farm up in Mossy Oak Biologic and it doesn't make that 200 inch buck that feeds there anymore yours than the man in the moon." Your right, that deer is no more yours either and yes you did piss off some folks.[:@]

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I was wondering when someone else was going to notice that about the post by Shatodavis. On one hand he says , live and let live, and completely contradicts himself with the 2 comments that you highlighted, which probably shows how he actually feels. To delight in another man's death, with a good riddance attitude is despicable, to say tha least. And to discount his rights as a landowner, whether it has been in his family for years or he just bought the property yesterday is irrelevant. The law is there for the landowner, and whether you've hunted that spot for 40 years, his rights are still intact. Your right also about the stand facing the others property being the issue. In my case, it was , with its back to a sea of8-10 footpines, with the creek bottom that he was facing being immediately on the other side of the creek he hung his climber on. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what he was doing, so I called the DNR officer, and regardless of Sylvan's inability to accept reality, got the okay to redirect his stand, and I did leave a note with my cell phone number to attempt to communicate with him. I will not hold my breath until I hear from him, however.I am going to place some posted signs in the immediate vicinity of his stands, and leave another note as to the location of his other stand that was 100 yards over the line, about 500 yards down the bottom. I found this one after I found the first.If he wants it back, he can agree to meet with me, and discuss his practices, or I will turn it over to the DNR, where he candiscuss his practices with them.

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Well,

Most likely we will never be neighbors so its a moot point. But, if you were my neighbor I think that you would change your mind about me. My point was if the guy had been less of a jerk he would have had more land to hunt. His actions hurt him more than it helped. I never hunted on his land even when I had permission. I rarely venture past my boundaries. On the rare occasion that a turkey is gobblin on the other side of the fence I will set up on the other side. Once in a great while I will sit a holler across the line on a neighbor who we have mutually agreed to allow each other those rights. Now, I in no way belittle his 80 acres. I know that land is exorbinantly high these days, and 80 acres is a large investment. I certainly couldn't afford to buy land at their current prices. I'm lucky that our land has been in the family for quite a while. You are absolutely correct that he and you have every right to do as you wish to your land. I simply was stating that a different attitude may well increase your or the original poster oppurtunities. Now when he jumped the fence and removed my steps and soaped my platform he went too far. What if I had not noticed the soap? I climbed the tree without the steps. I could have slipped and broke my neck. Now you can think its rude all you want, but things sure are nicer and more relaxed now days.

You have no idea how classless this guy was. He showed up at my house one evening and said that my: "G.D cows had broke the fence and was ruining his land!" I said: "I'm sorry for the inconvience, I will get my truck and come get them." His reply was: "you step foot on my land and I'll have you arrested!" Now how am I supposed to get my cows off his land without stepping foot on it? Well, I got it done somehow but that isn't the point. Then I patched and replaced the fence to keep my cows out. And he watched over me like a hawk saying that it wasn't good enough. That I should have to replace the entire 1/4 mile of fence. Now think about this: I was the one who originally built the fence in question, and he wants me to replace a 1/4 because the cows broke down a 10 foot section. Border fences are generally considered joint property. It is generally agreed that both parties share the expense of building said fence. He said: "I don't have any cows, so I don't need any fence!" Thats when I lost my cool and told him he should go back to the city and never speak to me again.

You are forgetting some of the principles that founded this country such as common decency and treat others as you would have them treat you, and love thy neighbor.... And him being a T total jerk interferred with my pursuit of Happiness...YOu Know Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

OBTW, After his passing the family sold the property. I wish I could have purchased it but wasn't able too. The new guy who purchased it is a fine fellar from St. Louis. I've talked with him a few times. He's a stand up guy. Just wanted a place for him and his son to hunt. I seen him one turkey season and He said that none of the turkeys were roosting on him, and he sure wished his boy could kill one. I said to him jump in the truck I seen a nice gobbler down in the bottom struttin. We drove a ways and made a sneak and 15 minutes later dad had called a nice 22 lb, 10" into range for his 14 year old son. He offered me the breast and I said only if you come to dinner and share it with me. we are real neighborly to each other ever since. If the turkeys are roosting on me he sets upacross the fence and trieshis luck. If I see a nice buckacross the fence andI want him I'm allowed to take him. Its a much nicer arrangement for both of us. And, I think he likes the arrangement quite a bit.

Anyway, I'm sorry for ranting for as long as I did.

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Time to add my fuel to the fire.

I hunt a small tract of land in which the landowner has horses. She plants her horse pasture with alfalfa. The deer wont let the alfalfa grow enough for the horses to eat.

She has asked me to shoot every deer I see. I have two ground blinds and a ladder stand set up within15 feet of the property line. I watch the other property constantly and waite for the deer to step over the property line before I shoot. (I asked the other land owner for permission but was denied.) I know where the property line is percisely because my property owner cut a ridding trail just inside her property line. As soon as any deer steps into the trail he is fair game.

Some of you might wonder about the temptation to shoot a monster buck that does not step onto my side. It's an ethics thing. I won't shoot after legal hours and I won't shoot across the property line.

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Manuman,

If I had a stand on MY PROPERTY and you moved it regardless of what direction it was facing I would be upset. You have no right to come on my property and do anything without my permission. If and its a big if the conservation agent gave you permission then he over stepped his bounds. He has no right. I would put up 6 stands all of them facing your property just to Piss you off! You forget one thing. The direction a stand is facing isn't necessarilly the direction you are hoping to shoot. I place my stands in a manner that I hope the deer come in to the left of my stand. that way its a easy shot for me right handed.

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Shato...
exactly what you said.I have two of my ladder stands faceing the other property about 8yrds off the line,due to the fact I perfer to shoot to the left being right handed.Have never had the insite to shoot over the line dont need too.To someone that dosnt unerstand how one sets up there shooting lanes it could look like your trying to shoot across the line.
I just had a guy I know get kicked off around 2700 acres of land because he said something to a guy that rents a farmsted out there from a friend of mine.Basicly told the renter he couldnt hunt there because he was(didnt even know the renter).One phone call to my friend from the renter was all it took for him to lose 2700 acres of prime deer land,and of course my friend told the other farmers in the area so now this guy cant hunt any of the land out there.I would say he lost about 5200 acres of hunting land.
I think he did more then just shoot himself in the foot........

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ShatoDavis,
I second your opinion.

Manuman,
The more you talk, the more you sound like you're lying. Your story has definately been modified to try to make you sound better, but even your new story makes you out ot be a trespasser and someone who messes with others stuff. Your just as bad as the people you are attempting to complain about. Going onto someone elses land and messing with their stand, is as bad or worse, than putting up a stand on someone elses land without permission. Standing in a creek, if thats what you actually did, by no means justifies what you did. I truely doubt that a warden gave you permission to move that stand, but if he did he must have been your brother in-law. Not to mention a warden has no right to tell you it's ok to do anything on your neighbors property.

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Of course you would! Anybody that views another man's death as you would do just that. His stand was placed so that there were no other possible place to shoot than on my lease, and I didn't step on his land to move the stand, as it was hanging over the creek--which is the line. So , no, I didn't forget anything. His stand is on a creek bank, with planted pines behind him, almost immediately, facing a bottom that is entirely on our land. The stand was at the base of the tree, and I turned it to face the pines, which was meant to convey the mesage, that I further conveyed by note, not to hunt or to shoot on our property. He would HAVE to shoot over the line, and he would HAVE to come over the creek to our land to recover any deer, unless that deer somehow ran back across the creek---which is highly unlikely.Straight ahead is the ONLY shjot he or ayone else would have.Come to think of it,he most likely is approaching this stand by way of our property, to even get to his stand, just like I did.

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Unbelievable!!!!!!! What more can be said? You are entitled to your subjective opinion, but I experienced this, and I know the facts. It matters to me if people say they don't believe me, but there's only so much that I can do about it. I'm beginning to think that those who can't accept the reality of the situation may be because they don't see anything wrong with what this guy is doing, and maybe are guilty of the same. I'm not going to lose any sleep over total strangers, miles away, without a single shred of first hand knowledge whowant tocome to false conclusions about a set of circumstances that they are, in reality, clueless about.BTW, your logic about my being as bad as they are is nonsense--first of all, because I didn't step on their land, and secondly because , if I had,protecting my rights and someone who steals from another is hardly comparable.You have a lot of nerve to come on here and to make absolute declarations that I 'definately' 'modified' my story to make me sound better! I wouldn't have to continue to CLARIFY the actual events, if not for jerks like yourself who make yourselves out to know ore than the person involved. What boots was i wearing that day? What kind of hat? You seem to know more than I do, so let me know so I can know too!The whole point is that I do it right down to the letter, and even get the validation from a DNR officer, and all I get is sanctimonious hogwash from people that either can't comprehend or don't want to. Truly amazing!!!!

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Ifit was on the bank on his side of the creek, not your's, you had no business tampering with his stand.

Caldoc

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Of course, the flip side of that coin is that the other guy had no business setting up his stand such that his only real shot is across the property line. Not saying it was right to tamper with the stand, but... It's equally wrong to set up where your only shots are at deer on someone else's property where you don't have hunting rights.

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Actually, manuman, the problem you're having here is that thepeople here DO comprehend and they comprehend very well!

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Well, as manuman has made so clear to us, there was a creek bed there. Manuman defends his right to walk across the creek to mess with the stand, couldn't that guy have had his stand pointed at the creek in order to hunt the creek bed. In my oppinion creek beds are some of the best spots to hunt.

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Mike must be the person who'd be in a stand over a fence line, shoot an animal on someone elses property and trespass to retrieve it. Then complain saying he had the "right" to do it because he was physically located on his own land.....or rather someone elses land who feels sorry for him and allows him to hunt on it.

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Damn, 7 pages of posts debating someones right to put up a deer stand 10 feet on THEIR side of the fence?[:o] Truely an HNI classic.

My neighbor put up a stand that turned out to be a couple feet on my side of the property line. He also mistakenly put a No Tresspassing sign about 10 feet on to my property. I could have raised hell, but decided to keep my cool, not say anything, and just be polite to him. As a result, he has since given me (without me asking) open access to his 140 acres surrounding my little 19 acre plot. Sometimes it pays to keep your cool.[&:]

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Of course creek beds make for good hunting, but, not from stand that's at ground level overhanging the creek bed. Again, not defending messing with the guy's stand, but, in my opinion, it wasn't in a reasonable location.

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For that matter, what is the point of hanging a stand at ground level anyway. I would never take the time to hang a stand and then hang it at ground level. Wouldn't it make more sense to hunt from the ground? If I were going to try to shoot deer off of my neighbors property, I would hang the stand as high as I could so that I could shoot further onto his property.;)

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Shato I hope if I ever buy land it will border you

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Your exactly right, keep your cool, communicate with your neighbor and if the outcome does not make you happy, still respect your neighbors decision and move on. Some of us are happy with our 80 acres and are not looking for access to bigger hunting grounds. Sometimes that 80 acres you have is prime habitat and that's why your neighbor who has 1000+ acres wants access to hunt it. I still agree, no one has the right to trespass or touch someone else's equipment when it's not on their own property.

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So you changed the direction of another person's stand on their property without breaking the plane of the boundary? Was this achieved through telekinesis or some similar method?

Caldoc

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Lanse,
I get the point, I will leave him alone.

Caldoc

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Oh no. Don't stop. Just give me time to head out of the office, grab a six pack, and get settled in front of the computer back at home.

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The only problem I am having is understanding how you and one or two others have the audacity to make yourselves self proclaimed experts of a situation you have zero firsthand knowledge of,and secondly why you would want to be so involved in the first place. There's something sick and twisted in your attitude that I don't even want to understand.I know what and why, since I was there--and you are making wild accusations, calling me names and a liar--all based onwhat you incorrectly perceive to be the case from 900 miles away!!!!But, hey, you're Sylvan the great clairvoyant--who am I to question your judgement and perceptions. After all, perception is reality, right?

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All those dollars wasted on an education and you still can't comprehend a simple principle---the stand extended over the creek bank. The stand was breaking the plane of the creek--the property line--already. You guys need to get a hobby or something to occupy your time, rather than playing amateur detective!

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My word , what is wrong with you people!!!I turned a stand in another direction that was , obviously there to hunt proprety that he has no right to. I did it after calling a DNR officer, explaining to him the scenario,and left a note for the guy to contact me.I spend all this time attempting to clarify myself to only have the forum vultures swoop in to have a go at something that they have all kinds of wild ideas about,yet do not understandand none of which are true. The creek bed isn't 'huntable' , and it is against the law to shoot a deer in water in the state of Georgia even if it were--it is more of a drainage ditch and not deer habitat for crying out loud! His side backs up to planted pines, almost immediately behind him .He was hunting the creek bottom across the creek that has trails, scrapes, rubs and a clearcut across from it--which is deer habitat.I repeat, if you had firsthand knowledge you would stop speaking so matter of factly.

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Wow, this thread makes me realize what great neighbors I have. (and yes, they have permission to come over the fence)

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I know I said I wouldn't but....

If it was the bank on his side of the creek, the stand was still on his property. While the creek may be narrow, it is not a dimensionless line. Since you seem to regard the creek bed itselfas neutral territory that you can cross at will,why shouldn't he.

Manuman, you first stated you tampered with a stand similar to the one described by the originator of this thread and Sylvan called you on it. Then you came up with the totally implausable story that a game warden gave you permission to tresspass and tamper withsomeone else's tree stand. When that was questioned you came up with thisexplanation that the stand on his property wasprecisely located in a position that you could turn it 180 degrees to the other side of the tree and facingtowards his property without any part of your body crossing on to his land? I don't think that one is going to fly either.


Caldoc