DoctorDeath

I am not afraid to voice my opinion DD!
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CI I think ANYONE that knows me at all on this web site knows I am NOT affraid to voice my opinion ...but generally when I do that pack of wolfes start circling the good Doctor so I have refrained posting my opinion so to try and keep these post civil ...that way the leader of the pack ( dont want to mention any names but his initails are TT) won't hi-jack this thread with nasty remarks ...

dd

stillhunt04

CI I think ANYONE that knows me at all on this web site knows I am NOT affraid to voice my opinion ...but generally when I do that pack of wolfes start circling the good Doctor so I have refrained posting my opinion so to try and keep these post civil ...that way the leader of the pack ( dont want to mention any names but his initails are TT) won't hi-jack this thread with nasty remarks ...

dd
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Seems pretty true, people do kinda take cheap shots on the good doctor.

skeeter 7MM

I agree with this statement. I continue to say this same line hunting is a personal journey filled with personal choices. Just b/c this type of hunt doesn't fall into "my way of thinking" doesn't give me the right to cast judgement. As long as the person participating is happy with themselves and it does not reflect negatively on our sport as a whole. I don't consider PETA or other radical such groups in the above context they don't care whether its fenced or not they hate our sport and everything we stand for.

As far as my opinion "100% fair chase", without the ancipation/preperation it wouldn't be the same. Ijust can'tget pumped knowing what I was going to shoot before even stepping foot on the land. I believe "fair chase"has no boundaries, so any fence or structure that keeps animals in or out isn't in my definiton of the word.

daily_accident

I see everyone complain about a caged hunt.But what I don't see is no complaints about the caged food you all eat? Why is this? You all should be protesting KFC and McDonalds along with all the the super markets and joining the antis with protests like this.You should be protesting the jerky manufactures for the elk jerky and the buffalo jerky.Protest cabalas and bass pro shop and redheads for the wild game meats you can buy from them.These are all caged killed foods in mass amount.And you all whine about a deer in a pen.You all are just helping the antis out with your hypocrisy.Practice what you preach and join the antis and vegetarians then.I will shoot a deer in a cage if had the chance to do so.It's no different other than having the butcher do the dirty work for me when I buy from the market or order venison or order game meat from a catolog.It is the same thing.So keep screaming and pulling your hair out and keep helping the antis win in this sport.

deerdust

1- High fence operations Are hunting in their own aspect, just not the type of hunt we run or that I would do. Generally it is the folks with too much money, too little time, or too old to get out into the timber easily that do these type of hunts. Oops, I left out TOO Lazy. Folks who do canned hunts do so because it is Generally easy and a for sure thing to bag a good buck. They are generallly fed at certain times, so the guides know when to have you hunt and where. Just pick the size buck you want to pay for....LOL

2- High fence are done to keep the exotics in. If I ran an exotics hunt ranch, I would hate to have them wander to someone elses property where I couldn't hunt them after I had bought or raised my pets.I can understand that. If you don't want to go to where the exotics are from, then can them.

3- Most High fence operations do a better job of herd management than local hunters do. No offense meant to anyone here, but I have been to many states and seen and heard from many of our hunters the theory: If it is brown, it is down.

4- Many High fence operations actually improve or buildtheir herd by buying genetically superior deer or their semen.

High fences do have their place, it is just not what most of us deem an acceptable or ethical way of hunting.

skeeter 7MM

Obviously you haven't been at my place when I annouce we're having beef steak tonight as the venision is all gone!!!!!....
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Your right both are domestic animals, the only difference is them ones withantlers are worth way more per lb!!!!

JagMagMan

Two points that have been mentioned are "fair chase," and "ownership!"
No, it is not really considered fair chase hunting! I don't think anyone here has tried to say it is fair chase!
B&C, and P&Y do not recognize high fence trophies! So the record books are safe!
As for "ownership," yes, the state does own the wildlife! But when someone spends 100,000 on a breeder buck, they are not going to want it wandering around getting shot by a neighbor either! I think that they expect a good return on their investments too!
I agree with DD, there are many people who don't have the time, or maybe even the physical ability to put into "hunting" that most of us do! But if it helps them get out and enjoy themselves, what is all that wrong with it?
And again, to those who don't see a difference between 10 acres and 10,000 acres, get in your car, clock out 15.5 square miles!Better yet, walk it out!
It may not be "true fair chase hunting," but it ain't a cage either!

skeeter 7MM

I was going to mention this aspect with regards to "ranch or fence" operations before but figured I'd bite my tongue instead. However since you brought up the point! I PERSONALLY don't consider this fair chase hunting either. Hunting to me is a wild animal in it's natural settings, not one that is introduced and managed solely by human intervention. The fact is such animal is nothing more than livestock, breed, born, raised and ultimatley harvested in captivity.

I am not wanting to come of on the offensive but rather expressingsome of the things that"I" feel make up "fair chase".

The hunting part is a whole different aspect together. If waking up, putting on your gear, grabbing your rifle and shooting a buck is hunting to you...great. However some of us, myself included think it is much more and feel such hunts is really only cheating ourself from our personal highs! Again a choice only YOU can make.

3Ddepression

Around here its cheaper to buy day hunts than to rent hunting grounds. If one can only hunt a few times a year the cost per acre is way higher than it is to rent 5-10 hunts. Particulary for those who do not have a dog to pay for also which is mandatory for hunting "wild" wildlife.

Lets say a hunt for "mouflon sheep" costs 150$ and you get the sheep. It is in a 160 acre land, and no extra cost regarding to trophy size. One can expect to harvest a sheep every two or three times going there.
Im thinking of trying it out. (Im also a dog hunter and a baiter so Im already on theless sportsmanlike half of hunters)

There is no way you can beat that moneywise with hunting "free living animals", you know that herd that lives between the highway fences and the school. The dream of free living self containing ecosystems is only a dream around here. There is simply to much infrastructure in most places. Human activity has spread way into the wild.

Fence hunting is the meals- ready- to- eat-version of hunting.
Is it eating? Yes.
Is it a gourmet dinner? Not likely!
How starving do you have to be to eat it? Well it depends.

The underlying reason fences are growing in popularity here, is the fact that hunting is gaining popularity. We have more and more hunters every year and that has to be a good thing. Mostly anyway.

HuntinGUS

C'mon guys. You can argue fair chase all day, but you and I both know that regardless of how many acres it is form 2-2,000, the ranch owners and workers know the movement and habits of all of the "big" ones in within the high fence area. You could probably set you watch tothe deer's movement. It's a a business and the ranch owners want a "return on their investment". To me it's no different than fishing from a pay lake, but at least at pay lakes, you have to get the fish to bite. Same principal though.................. Habitat has been limited to make the hunting/fishing easier.

I really think that the more we support this type of activity, or the less we oppose, the more damage we do to our sport. I don't wnat to have to pay a stupid amount of moneyof hunt a game farm or a ranch. There are a lot of people who have to do it that way now or they don't get to hunt.
The money making aspect of it has gotten out of hand along with the "horn porn".

I really don't get it. It's OK to kill a deer under a high fence, but it's not Ok to shoot a 1.5 year old 4 point? It just seems like the size of the horns is the most important part of the hunt with a lot of people which has created these types of markets and venues. I am all for hunting for a big one, but when fences are thrown up and steroids are used and genetic manipulation is used, it kinda take the fun out of it for me.