i agree. rght on heeze, i went to wally worldtwo yrs ago and bought two pairs, totaling 45.00, they arnt the best in the world, but they wrk pretty dam good. be safe.

Here's what I was talking about. Look at the picture below. It's obviously a deer and not a human. However, I'd like to get a better look at it before I shoot. Especially if I have a point restriction and need to count points. If he's walking and there are a few more trees, even harder to count the points. Binoculars would work, but I don't think I'm endangering any hunters by glassing this deer with my scope.

40 dollar binoculars suck if you hunt in any kind of bad weather. The will fog up most of the time and if you drop them the lenses will shift. I own a pair of cheap wally mart ones. They are good for the boat or beach, but in a blind in 30 degree wet weather they don't do me much good.

Obviously you don't hunt in the same situations we do, so don't judge us. Most people in my area can't see anything much past 40 or 50 yards because of the brush and other objects. If you can't make out a deer at that distance without magnafied optics you might want to rethink your hobbies. I can make out a deer in a field 200 yards away, and see other hunters at the far edge almost 400 yards. I have ranged them. And if it's dark enough that I need a scope or bindculars to see well I pack my gear up and go home because it is beyond legal shooting time any way.

The type of hunting I do just does not require carrying the extra equipment or the cost. I would by a better scope before I would get good binoculars in my conditions. Or take my camera.

Don't judge me because you have problems making out a target or your surroundings. I have never missidentified a target before, nor have I missed any game with a rifle or bow. But so far the longest shot I have ever made on game is just under 100 yards in an open field.

If you want to lug optics around with you in the field to look at everything thru be my guest. I don't like them because they do limit your FOV compared to plain eye sight. You have no perefial vision with them and it is harder to pick up movement. Plus it is more movement you have to make if you are hunting out of a stand or on the ground. They are more of a hinderance in the woods than they are a help in my opinion. And if there is another human in the area I will usually hear them long before I can actually see them. And if someone is that close to me where I hunt they may get a gun pointed at them any way. And it won't be by accident!

Now if I hunted public land I might be more cautious, but I don't have the balls to hunt public land during gun season in my area. Just to crazy for my blood, especially with the extended ranges of some of the new slug ammo.

I don't want it to sound like I don't understand your concern or see your point, because I do. It is just that in some areas with the way some of us hunt optics are not much of a use. In most cases you don't even need a scope over 4 power. You are better off sitting perfectly still until something comes out near you than you are looking all over the woods with a pair of 10 power binoculars. In my opinion glassing is good for varmint hunting and snypering, but not hunting large game in the brush.

Paul

Oh, and as far as not seeing another hunter or being able to make one out in a scope. Isn't that what hunter orange is for? I don't see too many deer with orange hats or vests on. I can see hunter orange for almost half a mile on a good day with my naked eyes, let alone 75 yards away with it a scope. Some people will shoot at anything that moves though, and better optics will not solve that problem.

And besides my scope has MUCH better optics than a 40 dollar pair of binoculars. But like I said, I don't shoot at something I can't identify 100 percent.

Paul

Iwill wait til someone is killed due to scoping...then Ill re post this..IT wasan accident.....thats what the scoper will say...The dead guy.........he dont say nuthing

Funny thing is I talk about safety.... buteverybody is a sharpshooter with a keen eyefor detail...Uncle Sam needs you guyz.......I dont

You just are not getting what I am saying. I agree with you, but not everyone hunts that way. binoculars serve no purpose at the distances I hunt. I don't bring my gun up until I have already identified my target.

Most of the people shot get shot during shotgun season where no scopes are involved and huter orange is suposed to be worn. Some people just shoot at anything. Same thing with people shooting dogs, goats, horses and cows. Binoculars don't make up for stupid! More people get shot in thier homes than they do hunting I would guess.

Besides if you knew how to handle a rifle properly you wouldn't accidently shoot a person even if you were glassing them. But still you shouldn't point it at anything you don't want to shoot. People rarely get shot by ACCIDENT when hunting. They get shot on purpose, just the idiot that shot them didn't bother to wait 5 seconds to identify the target. He saw somethign move and fired at it. That is usually how it goes. They are not aiming the gun around and it magically goes off when it happens to be pointed at the wrong target. I will bet you in every case the trigger was intentionally pulled. When in reality the finger should not even have been on the trigger. Again I am not promoting aiming at something you don't want to shoot though.

Paul