RE: Doe's Reproductive Physiology and proper scent collection...
 

Big John, I KNEW I could find you here, talking deer as usual. Not too many guys know how to talk about sense of smell VS that sixth sense like you do. How a deer can break down all those indicators out there like the sensor in a computer driven devise is amazing. Itslike a grizzly feeding inside the rib cage of a winterkill moose and suddenly bolting, because he got wind of you 300 some odd yards upwind. How could he even detect you amid the stench of that carcass, no less sort it all out, and determine it to be danger? It truly is amazing.

RE: Doe's Reproductive Physiology and proper scent collection...
 

Yep, I don't think I'd leave the house either :D

Now, here’s my theory on why I think the estrogen scents work. When a buck comes into contact with a freshly laid scent, he immediately licks up a sample of the urine and does a flehmen sniff to test/detect the reproductive state of the doe. If he detects the doe is close to or in estrus, he focuses on the smell of her urine and the scent of her interdigital glands. He then, nose to the ground, starts tracking the hot doe in hopes of finding herand breeding her. But here’s the problem we have in the use of setting up fake scent trails. In order to collect interdigital scents from a doe, the same doe, you would have to cut her feet off to make a tincture of musk from them. That’s just not a justifiable reason to cull a deer. What we have figured out and it seems to work; by putting little fingers (so to speak) on the floor of the collection stalls, that rubs and collects the secretions from the foot, we are able to collect small amounts of the waxy secretions. Now we don’t need to cull the animal just to collect the interdigital secretions from the same doe that the urine and vaginal secretions are coming from.

I already know what you’re going to say, pheromones only last a few minutes when exposed to the air……. Yes this is right. What we are actually trying to collect is the substance and then adding it to a scent. It’s not a pheromone but it’s as close as we can get.

So now we have a scent that contains the estrogen, and also a scent that contains the secretions from the interdigital glands from the same doe. How would we do a field study on this? Well, we would take the scent that contains the estrogen and put it on a scrape, scrape line, rub line or a trail that is regularly used by buck. Then we would take the scent that contains the interdigital scent and use a trail drag and make a trail to our hunting location or stand. About half way to the stand, while making a scent trail, you would put out a little more scent that contains the estrogen, to reinsure the buck he is on a hot doe, then finish the scent trail to your stand. Put a little more estrogen scent about 15-20 yards from your stand and sit and wait. When the buck comes up the line with his nose to the ground and stops, does his flehmen sniff; he’s 15-20 yards from your stand. If you get the buck, the results are easy to understand. If you don’t see a buck then again, the results are easy to understand. Yes, I know this sounds a lot like the magic beans Jack used, but it seems to be working for us anyway. One buck that makes Pa record book for a bow kill and working on the second this year.

What do you think? Do you think it sound like a lot of details went into this theory? If you think I’m crazy on the doe theory, just wait till you get me started onmy buck urine theory…;)

RE: Doe's Reproductive Physiology and proper scent collection...
 

Bill, are you suggesting that I smell that bad as the bear could smell me over the stench of the dead moose from 300 yards away? :D

How you doing, it’s kind of funny running into you on here. I just found this site about a week ago and I’m already learning a ton of stuff from all these great folks. I happened across a thread about Wal-Mart scents and have been hooked ever since.

Talk to you again soon,
John

RE: Doe's Reproductive Physiology and proper scent collection...
 

I don't think you are crazy, but I would like to hear aboutyour buck theory. Yes - a lot of details, and good ones too. Test, report, scrutinize, test, report.................
I believe that both you and I are viewed as completely insane by the wives - that's a good thing -- it keeps them guessing.

RE: Doe's Reproductive Physiology and proper scent collection...
 

I would love to get some of these scent to you for you to try out this year, and then you can let me know what you think. Could you forward me a shipping address and as soon as we start collecting, I will send some to you?

You can e-mail me at [email protected]

I will also tell you my therories on buck urine. I would love to talk with you in person/phone and go even further into details. Would you entertian a phone call from me?

Thanks

RE: Doe's Reproductive Physiology and proper scent collection...
 

I sent you an email, let me know if you didn't get it.