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Here's a thought power, I am sure you tried this but maybe not!

SJ or others, for S&G's tried some Hornady 154Gr SST, with the same nylon tip as BT. They group identical as my 150 Gr Noslers but 2" higher at 100. (a little suprised??????) My gunsmith who reloads for me says they are much the same as Noslers, except they are bonded and thus don't come unglued as quickly as BT's. I have used BT's with good results, one poor...but I also like to plink and tink...so I thought what the heck.

Anyway to my questions. What are your thoughts on this bullet type? Should I stick with BT's? 7MM Mag is the gun and quarry is Whitetails. My groups like I said don't favor either, tightest they ever been. Why would you think the 154GR SST would be 2" higher and bang on vs. a 150GR BT (bang on but 2" lower)? So it's not a matter of picking the most accurate load anymore, like the BT's were always the ones that grouped best. I want the best performance at the game end now and call on your guys experience?

Many thanks.

Power, let us know how you and your wife make out!

The sst's were supposed to be a tougher version of the ballistic tip but recent bullet tests have shown that this is all hype from hornady.In reality they have shown to behave almost identically to ballistic tips and in the shooting times bullet test they actually retained less weight than the ballistic tip.

Whatever you decide to use I would take a good look at the 140 or 130gr Partition before i would use the Ballistic Tips.

Why work when you can hunt???? Heck why work at all!!

Friends and myself have had some poor performance with the ballistic tips. I doubt you could find one in our camp this year.

Explain what poor experience or why no BT's, please? What type of gun? Range? Where do you aim? What do you use now? Etc.

Personally we have taken loads of game with BT's and never had a problem that could be traced back to the bullet failing. Shooter, yes (myself included).

I just would like some details thats it!

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Greg, I would not expect them to preform like a Part.

When they hit heavy bone, where do most guys aim? From many discussions and reading post here..it is the H/L region.

Where does heavy bone come into play if this is your POI?

If your aiming at the shoulder, well then you are setting yourself up for bullet failure! It is not the prefered shot on any game, you want to put in the boiler room...mess it up and you got a quick, clean...dead animal!

BT's work to a T for this if the shot is placed in boiler room and yes they blow up...but that is what they are suppose to do (so not a failure). Energy transfer, shock and massive trauma that deer is going down...but quick.

If you want a pinky in and a thumb out hole...don't shoot BT's and such. But if you want a bullet tpo put the spins on a deer sized animal, with a H/L shot..BT type bullets will deliver. I guess what I am saying is bullets are made to do certain things, blow up, retain, etc. Pick the bullet that will give you the result you want...a poor shot is never bullet failure...it is shooter failure!

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I guess that's the big question then, where to hit them. I know deer fall pretty easy if you take out their lungs/heart area, no question. I wonder how Elk react to a good hit in that same area. I've read and heard they will tend to run further than you'd think even when hit in their kill zone.

2 weeks until I'm deer hunting, WHOOHOO! I'll let you know what happens if we are blessed with opportunity.