Whats with deer feeders?
09-23-2002, 09:17 AM
#31
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Location: Chesterfield Virginia USA
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
I'm no activist - far from it. I've hunted deer for over 30 years. During that time I've witnessed, read, watched many good/bad and sad events in the hunting spectrum. Since I certainly can't change what is happening (fenced enclosures, baiting, etc.) I shouldn't have disparaged anyone personally. I just don't like baiting - my opinion only - nothing more. I do think stalking, still hunting, observing your intended prey in a NATURAL habitat setting is a more ethical method of hunting and certainly requires more skill than sitting above rotten meat thrown in a drum and waiting for a bear to show.
09-23-2002, 11:29 AM
#33
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
Thank you all for the sarcasium, it saved me the typing. 3030win, what do you find exceptable. If I get you right you prefer the "true method of hunting". I guess you strip naked and chase the deer down dispatching them with your teeth, hands, or feet. Have you ever ambushed a deer. If so I cant believe you call that hunting, taking advantage of a deers natural path. You should also be apposed to scouting, that is not sportsman like to find the move ments of a deer before hand and setting up to ambush it.
I have lots of land with feeders all over it. I also grow food plots for the winter and summer months. I do so to have healther deer and to hold does on my land. I have even been known to take a good looking buck from a feeder or plot. I guess I am satan when it comes to hunting. If you dont like the term hunting, then I guess you can call it harvesting of my deer. Either way they are going to end up in the frying pan.
If the trueth be known, a feeder attracts the hogs better than it does the deer. Even with all the feeders going I take more deer away from the feeders than at them. I dont even have a blind near a feeder.
I do mostly still hunting. So I guess that makes blind hunting unethical too. Or I use a recurve during bow season, so I guess compounds are unethical. I also use a pitol during gun season, so I guess that makes rifle hunting unethical. Watch out about crapping in your nest, because when the antis come, how can you truely defend your point with out backing.
I have lots of land with feeders all over it. I also grow food plots for the winter and summer months. I do so to have healther deer and to hold does on my land. I have even been known to take a good looking buck from a feeder or plot. I guess I am satan when it comes to hunting. If you dont like the term hunting, then I guess you can call it harvesting of my deer. Either way they are going to end up in the frying pan.
If the trueth be known, a feeder attracts the hogs better than it does the deer. Even with all the feeders going I take more deer away from the feeders than at them. I dont even have a blind near a feeder.
I do mostly still hunting. So I guess that makes blind hunting unethical too. Or I use a recurve during bow season, so I guess compounds are unethical. I also use a pitol during gun season, so I guess that makes rifle hunting unethical. Watch out about crapping in your nest, because when the antis come, how can you truely defend your point with out backing.
09-23-2002, 01:05 PM
#35
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
I usually don't reply to this kind of thread but......"I'm a WUS" I hunt deer sitting over food plots (alfalfa fields) bears over bait (berry patches) and elk over hay (mountain meadows) Nuff said bait is bait (food is food)
Since I drive a 70 ford bronco and you probly drive a $44,000 chevy or dodge. Does that mean I shouldn't go hunting because I drive a old ford and you just can't stand fords. I hope it doesn't come to that!
I think you should do things (hunt/drive/camp/dress) your way and let all the others do things their way. As long as it's legal I have no problem with whatever methods some one uses.
I would hope all hunters would "ALLOW" others to hunt the way they want.
BTW: next time I get a grizzly on one of my baits I'll give you a call so you can run him off with a switch so I can go home when it gets dark. You know, me being a wus and all!
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09-23-2002, 02:09 PM
#36
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
Wyote, oh no you have it all wrong...you don't bait, you hunt food that is natural<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>! That is different or is it? Exactly my point!
I don't see how somebody who has never or knows nothing about a tecnique can make a comment on how ethical or "fair chase" it is? IMO, driving along and seeing an animal than stocking up and shooting the aniumal is not better, just different. I have no problems with the way you all want to hunt, as long it is legal...cool. If I choose to bait, then that is me...don't worry I am not going to ask you to partake anyway.
If I was out just shooting, than why have I only harvested 1 bear in 8 years, I see several every year. The only way I will hunt bears is with a bow now, b/c for me it is challenging. However if you choose to use a rifle, that doesn't make it unfair in my eyes...just different (which is cool).
Makes them lose their survival skills, really? I beg to differ. How come guys that bait or food plot mention of how the big deer or even all deer have gone NOC! Explain this one, if they are so dependant on the food and lost their survival skills, why have they gone NOC?
Uneducation or ignorance does not make it true. If you don't agree with something, that is your right. However to make statements on a subject you better be well versed and able to back up your points. Cause otherwise it's just theories, with no thesis...which equals F<font color=red></font id=red><font size=5></font id=size5><font size=6></font id=size6>!
Good luck everyone and my you be siuccessful in whatever way you choose to hunt!
I don't see how somebody who has never or knows nothing about a tecnique can make a comment on how ethical or "fair chase" it is? IMO, driving along and seeing an animal than stocking up and shooting the aniumal is not better, just different. I have no problems with the way you all want to hunt, as long it is legal...cool. If I choose to bait, then that is me...don't worry I am not going to ask you to partake anyway.
If I was out just shooting, than why have I only harvested 1 bear in 8 years, I see several every year. The only way I will hunt bears is with a bow now, b/c for me it is challenging. However if you choose to use a rifle, that doesn't make it unfair in my eyes...just different (which is cool).
Makes them lose their survival skills, really? I beg to differ. How come guys that bait or food plot mention of how the big deer or even all deer have gone NOC! Explain this one, if they are so dependant on the food and lost their survival skills, why have they gone NOC?
Uneducation or ignorance does not make it true. If you don't agree with something, that is your right. However to make statements on a subject you better be well versed and able to back up your points. Cause otherwise it's just theories, with no thesis...which equals F<font color=red></font id=red><font size=5></font id=size5><font size=6></font id=size6>!
Good luck everyone and my you be siuccessful in whatever way you choose to hunt!
09-23-2002, 02:46 PM
#37
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
As I relied in an earlier post - I was just stating my opinion and that I shouldn't judge others. I regret that wuss comment. We all aren't the same and I respect your legal rights to hunt anyway you wish. I don't like shotgun hunting for deer either, but most of the fellas around here do - as I have in the past. My preference is slug gun, rifle and muzzleloading - no scatter guns. But just because I don't like something certainly doesn't make it wrong - just an opinion.
09-23-2002, 04:36 PM
#38
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
Redman60, IMO you halfed it. You stated you shouldn't attack personally and didn't agree with the technique personally. I agree that is a ok stance and your opinion. But then you halfed by stating it isn't "ethical" to sit over top of rotting bait waiting for a bear to come!
To me opinions don't include "ethical" or "fair chase" when it comes to hunting, I am sorry. These terms drudge up: frown upon, disrespect, look down your nose, unsportsman, illegal & the list goes on.
I could carry less if you attack me personally and admire different opinions, but when it is stated I am unethical or not fair chase....well lets say I get a little perturbed!
I am sorry if I put the heat on any of you, with my comments. I just think many feel baiting, food plots, etc is different than sitting on a food source...by large volumes. To me it really isn't. Many things we take advantage of now could be considered non fair chase, I guess. (Mock Scrape, Rattling, Calling, Range Finders, game cameras, bullets, guns, scopes and the list goes on) It just seem the food thing always brings up the "ETHICAL" and "FAIR CHASE" debate, all to often on here. It is just another technique and besides bears I don't do it, though it is legal.
It reminds me of the "Meat" vs "Horns" debates. To me I like both and have no problems with either. Personally I am a "Trophy" hunter, I take does for meat when allowed, sit and wait for horns the rest of the year. I will gladly eat tag soup or shoot a doe if I need the meat, before using my tag just to say Filled on the survey. But that's me and I don't expect anybody to jump on my ban wagon or critize me for it.
To me opinions don't include "ethical" or "fair chase" when it comes to hunting, I am sorry. These terms drudge up: frown upon, disrespect, look down your nose, unsportsman, illegal & the list goes on.
I could carry less if you attack me personally and admire different opinions, but when it is stated I am unethical or not fair chase....well lets say I get a little perturbed!
I am sorry if I put the heat on any of you, with my comments. I just think many feel baiting, food plots, etc is different than sitting on a food source...by large volumes. To me it really isn't. Many things we take advantage of now could be considered non fair chase, I guess. (Mock Scrape, Rattling, Calling, Range Finders, game cameras, bullets, guns, scopes and the list goes on) It just seem the food thing always brings up the "ETHICAL" and "FAIR CHASE" debate, all to often on here. It is just another technique and besides bears I don't do it, though it is legal.
It reminds me of the "Meat" vs "Horns" debates. To me I like both and have no problems with either. Personally I am a "Trophy" hunter, I take does for meat when allowed, sit and wait for horns the rest of the year. I will gladly eat tag soup or shoot a doe if I need the meat, before using my tag just to say Filled on the survey. But that's me and I don't expect anybody to jump on my ban wagon or critize me for it.
09-23-2002, 05:49 PM
#39
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
You all want to know what my method is? Well I set up on deer trails. Might not be as effective as baiting, but I've done ok. Like I said before, you guys can take it out of contrast all you want(which you a re). But my point still stands.
Read Chipola Creek's post, he stated exectly how I feel.
Guns cause crime, like flies cause garbage.
Read Chipola Creek's post, he stated exectly how I feel.
Guns cause crime, like flies cause garbage.
09-23-2002, 08:06 PM
#40
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Location: Chesterfield Virginia USA
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RE: Whats with deer feeders?
Skeeter - here is what I said as my opinion - observing your intended prey in a NATURAL habitat setting is a more ethical method of hunting - that is my opinion and the state of Virginia's as well. If you want to OK - I'm not frowning on you or losing sleep over it. If it was legal in VA and others did it in my club no biggie. I just couldn't.