That's nice, because you are about the only one who feels that way, including most every WY resident Italked to out there. Nonresidents are allowed to hike, backpack, camp, bird hunt, small game hunt, pick daisies, etc, etc, etc. The state thinks they are all qualified to do these things.......just not hunt big game. It's just another liberal entitlement program set up for a special interest group. Politics at it's best.

I backpack hunt into wilderness areas almost every year, and I live in Illinois! Did two this year, Nevada & Colorado. I don't need politicians telling me where I can't go. Don't build fires to scare off game. One man bivy, no wall tents needed.

Definitely not interested in horses. They are noisy and have to be babysat. Hell two years ago I had to babysit the outfitters camped next to me when one of theirs got out of it's rope fence and bighorns were gorging on his oats. They'd have emptied the saddle bags in an hour. The next day I packed up and moved around to a basin where horses could not enter. There were no outfitters in there, just elk.

Region G is one of the fastest developing areas in all of Wyoming. The Anticline is bringing in tons of people. The deer are all being greatly pressured. Several studies are being done by the G&F to determine how deer and antelope can get along with all of the mineral development. Chances are the deer moved to different areas than you may have found them in the past. Also, animals all across WY were hit hard by the drought. G&F instated the 4 point or better rule in many areas, and shortened some of the seasons. It was a very effective move IMO. Here are some photos taken this summer in the unit directly south of region G that "gives out too many tags" (general area- anyone can hunt there). Looks like the deer are all doing pretty dang good to me.

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"Region G is one of the fastest developing areas in all of Wyoming. The Anticline is bringing in tons of people. The deer are all being greatly pressured."


Right. Region G and many other units need to cut NR tags and go to limited resident tags statewide like Colorado. That herd is getting hammered and it's going to end up like Montana if they don't do something soon.

Sure, your pictures are nice but there are exceptions everywhere. We both know the truth.

I'm with Wolf Killer on this one. Sure, there are people like you who know how to handle themselves in the wilderness, but what about all of the other guys who come out from back east and don't know the first thing about hunting in the wilderness, let alone navigating the mountains? I've seen guys from flat-land states get lost in the hills. Chances are they don't understand late season weather at those elevations either. They could go to bed one night and wake up in 2 feet of snow the next morning and be in a real jam.

Typically, the only people going into wilderness areas during the fall and winter are hunters. Backpackers, daisy-pickers, and photographers all use the wilderness areas during the summer when the weather is more predictable. I have yet to hear of anyone using wilderness areas to hunt birds or rabbits.

By requiring non-residents to be accompanied by an outfitter in wilderness areas, the G&F is limiting the number of search and rescue missions that tax payers have to fund. I'd support a revision of the law that allowed non-residents who could demonstrate wilderness survival skills and knowledge of high-elevation weather to use wilderness areas without the company of an outfitter. But until then, I support the G&F's attempt to keep individuals without any wilderness savy out of wilderness areas.

The ultimate in the big brother attitude. Let's face it, the NR wilderness ban has absolutely nothing to do with NR rescues. If that were a major issue theWYF&G could just add a wilderness rescue fee on there apps like some states do. People get rescued by the authorities every day for one reason or another. I bet about 1% of these involve wilderness public land situations. That is a weak excuse at best.

This is all about putting money in the pockets of the outfitters and we all know that, residents and NR alike. As Ditka says...........Who ya crappin? If you are seriously going to defend that stance there's no need to continue this thread because anyone reading this is going to have you pegged.

I cannot tell you how many residents in the states I have hunted I have personallymake poor decisions. This year in Nevada I met three locals who held the same once-in-a-lifetime elk tag I did. They were admiring my 350" bull on my way down.Got to talking and turns out none of them had one bugle call! They did have onehoochie momma cow call. I politely taught them how to use my bugle tube and diaghram and left it with them. Then I told them where to go and how to hunt the area to take a bull in the4 days they had left. These folks had been hunting starting 3 days before I even got there, without a bugle call. Bulls were responding like crazy in this area. They were hunting an area where rockscovered 90% of the terrain. Stalking was near impossible. For archery you needed to scout out and hunt theremaining 10% and concentrate in these areas. I lined them up and marked my map up for them.......because they didn't even have a map! No kidding. I hope they got one.

Every year I go out there I meet some folks like this in the limited areas. They are mostly non-serious resident hunters whodraw a good tag and think the game will walk into their camps.These are not the majority. I'm talking only 10% of them. The nonresidents I have met generally greatly value their tags and prepare accordingly, and areall serious. They have to be because they paid so much and waited so long for the tag. This probably applies to my hunts more as I mostly archery hunt, andin the top units.

These things are not limited to nonresidents by a longshot. What I've experienced is that for most nonresidents a trip out there is a big deal and they take time to preparewell in advance.

1 I not agree with the law on Non-res in wilderness.
2 RegionG HasNO wilderness, you most be talking about elk hunting.
3 I take you don't check the box to donateforS & R on youapp's other wise you would haveknow about it.
4 The point syswas put in place to help the non-res draw tags. What are the hard to draw areas, there the ones with mainly public land.
5 There are other areas that you can draw and hunt if you want to do some HOME WORK. with out paying $300 to a rancher.
6 Why should we start back with Achery tags , If you draw a tag now you can hunt the achery season and the rifle season, that's a real good deal! when we did have them there were always leftovers so they did away with them!

1. Good. As mentioned, that law benefits nobody but a very select few, the outfitters. I wonder if those guys in favor of it would like all 49 other states to make that same law.......haha! I don't think so, since it would affect them. Some folks just don't think.
2. In none of my above posts do I claim region G is in the wilderness area, because I know it isn't. I backpack hunted deer there. Did see a dandy huge bull elk that came out every evening way up top tho! Dang I wished I'd had a tag for him. 350"+.
3. Big difference between a donation box that nobody checks, and a mandatory fee. Nonresidents already fund 60% of the WYF&G budget, and are given 10% of the tags. How many NR do you think feel obligated to give even MORE! Yikes!
4. Right. I know that. That is why it is an option to draw easy and pay the trespass. An option.
5. Yes there are such areas, and it actually takes very little "homework" to find them. The factor here is most have low densities of trophy animals. They have some but your odds are low of getting one. I only hunt trophy sized game. It's a numbers game.
6. The combo tags are great if you're a rifle hunter or a local who can come back often. For those predominant bowhunters, they are screwed. They make up 20% of the hunters yet are rerquired to compete with 100% of the hunters, drastically lowering odds. There is a reason 95% of all fish & game agencies have seperate seasons. WY is one of the very few who don't.

I believe there should be a qualification to hunt wilderness no matter who you are if the goal is in fact to limit search and rescue.

I think we all know it is not just easterners and flat-landers that get into trouble in the mountains. Sometimes those with the most experience take for granted or let their guard down and end up in the bad.

Being born in Wyoming or any mountain state does not guarantee the ability to take care of ones self in the field.

What the State of Wyoming knows is that the licensed outfitters in the state have fulfilled the training necessary to conduct such ventures.

When it comes down to it, I guess anyone we all have the opportunity to become a licensed outfitter in the state of Wyoming.

I do think there is a better way, but don't see that happening.