It's good that you have those points. There's always a chance of drawing in that red desert area, but about 10%. The reason is WY does not have a dedicated archery only season there. If they did you could draw in 1/2/3 years. The way it is now you'll need to get in line. I just mention the trespass fee option because the cost of the $30/year points will add up quickly compared to the fee.

Zim, You may want to take some time and review the odds from some of the areas close to the Red Desert. you'ld be surprised at how good your odds are as a non-res. I happen to like the idea that a person can come here an hunt from out of state and I have a great distane for you getting ripped off. As I said do your home work

Getting "ripped off" is a matter of opinion. I have reviewed the odds, the quality, the % public land, and the point fees. You pick your poison in WY. The only clear "rip off" is the WYG&F. Study the point fees and pick your poison.

I'm not quite sure how the non-resident point system works, but I know of an area with a decent amount of public land that has a few goats that will push the 16"-17" mark. Non-resident drawing odds are close to 50%. I can also think of another similar area off the top of my head that has close to 40% drawing odds. A little research will save you money and still get you a nice buck.

I don't like the idea of people paying large amounts of money to get on ranches, because it cuts down on the amount of land most run-of-the-mill guys can hunt on. Ranches that used to let local guys and some out of staters hunt for free now only allow out of state hunters who come in willing to pay hundreds or even thousands to use their land. It's happening more and more.

Please explain.

shirley basin

Requiring nonresidents to pay an outfitter thousands of dollars to hunt their own federal wilderness land? When they are allowed to do anything else there by themselves? I define that as a rip-off. It should be illegal. No other state has laws this stringent.

If you fellas don't like trespass fees wait till everyone figures out the incentive these rediculous new WYF&G point fees will cause. I've already explained it. Trespass fees will rise even more and the locals will be priced outat a much faster rate now.

As I explained, right now it isclearly cheaper to pay a trespass fee than pay WYF&G all those point fees. The lesser quality units are an option if one wants to go that way. You can hunt.

The wilderness thing was pushed thur by the outfitters Ass. so you can thank them, also the biggest percenage of large bulls and bucks don't even come out of wilderness and it is so small of area why should you care.
As for the points YOU as a NON-Res have a better chance to draw an area than I do.I put in for moose and sheepfor 15 years and never got a tag before the point sys, Now Non-res can get a tag before I ever do do to the limited numbers of them putting in.
Compare the odds between res and non-res of the areas in or near the red desert.
If you want to pay an extra 300 bucks for 45 lbs of meat go for it!
It's funny how there are so many hunters trying to hunt Wyo. when you say were a rip off. could it be we know how to manage our heards. Maybe you should look at the success rate between Wyo and other near by states.
Like I said do your home work and hunt non-fee areas

Actually I do my homework very well considering I don't even live there. Enough to know:

1. Outfitters lobby in EVERY state, as do many groups. Ultimately it is the state's responsibility to hear what they want to hear, and make the law, not outfitters. No other state has caved in to this joke of a law.
2. As I explained, the point feesactually amount to MORE than the trespass fees. A guy is SAVING $300 compared to waiting for units 60 or 61. That is the way the state set it up, not me.
3. Know how to manage herds? Of course everything is relative, but if you are a resident you know all too well WYF&G issues too many mule deer tags and the recent quality of bucks has declined as a result. My region G hunt in 02 was poor. The quality has declined there immensely.
4. There are many hunters that want to hunt all states public land. Heck, they own it. I don't blame them.

These are all facts. I've been doing myhomework for years.

I know Joey from way back, and I simply added my input to this thread to inform him of the facts, because it was asked. He has options and it would be nice if he knew all of them, notone. As I mentioned, for the record 98% of my hunting is self guidedon public land myself. I am not encouraging him to go one way or the other. It's just simply not financiallywise to pay for points and wait for units 57/60/61 given the fees. That is the one of the 3 options I'd nix.

Most non-residents do not have everything they need to make a good wilderness hunthappen on there own. Horses, wall tents, wood stoves &Wilderness savy to make it on there own when things go bad.
Every year resident & non-resident hunters get lost & die in the mountains. Wilderness or not, resident or non-resident,some people need a full timebaby sitter.
I stand behind Wyoming Game & Fish.