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Old 01-28-2006, 07:27 PM
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I've been hunting turkeys for 16 years now, and have taken quite a few gobblerswith plain old copper plated lead,like about 40 or so now.For the life of me, I cann't figure out how I've done that with out the help of Hevi Shot and such. Can someone pleasehelp me figure outon how I've been able to dothat? Thanks Paintbrush
What I'm getting at here is what is the need for anything other then a load of lead that you have cofidence in.All I think is that Hevi Shot and such is just a marketing gimmic to get more money out of our pockets into manufactors pockets.
Isn't a dead turkey shot at 35 yards or so with lead shot just as dead as a turkey shot with Hevi Shot at the same range,but with only about 1/3 the cost per shell.
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Old 01-28-2006, 08:02 PM
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We must follow HNI's newbashingpolicy..I went through the hevi-shot phase last year,and found it to be about the same,and ended up staying with my 3 1/2" Winchester HV#4's.I still have 3 boxes of #4 hevi in 3" 12ga.SO I am going to use them in my 11-87 for my wife to use.When they are gone I won't be buying any more.I'm with you on this one.
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Old 01-28-2006, 08:22 PM
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I would have to say you are right. I used Winchester 3.5" HV #4's and rolled several longbeards. But for me, and this is just me, I have enjoyed seeking the best pattern. It has been fun, albeit not cheap. It has just been another aspect of the sport that I personally have enjoyed. I even bought Nitro shells this year and they are real expensive---but they pattern like a dream.

There is nothing magic about Hevi Shot---but they do pattern a bit denser and pack a punch. But you are right. Dead is dead and if you don't see the need to spend the money---you probably have more sense than I. I have just enjoyed the search.
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Old 01-28-2006, 09:11 PM
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I agree with Sour1. I am switching to hevi-shot this year. The current lead loads I am using work fine but I enjoy thesatisfaction of getting the best possible pattern from my gun. I will get to enjoy some time at the shooting range preparing for the new season and filling the lull until spring arrives. And yes dead is dead, but maybe one day (it hasnt happened yet)when that turkey hangs up at 45-50 yards, instead of passing because he is out of my range, I will feel confident that I can make a clean kill.
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Old 01-28-2006, 10:26 PM
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Paint your question is legitimate, but you have to understand the logic. Basically the HS and all the other lead substitutes are for longer ranges. Lead simply peters out at much over 50yds. The new stuff patterns like steel and outweighs lead so it has more energy and longer killing power. You wouldn't shoot a deer at 250yd with a 30/30 would you? When properly dialed in the topend loads and guns can kill effectively well in excess of 50 yards with occasional shots being 70+yds. I won't get into the question of ethics by some traditonalists but whereI hunt in large pastures and cropfields that extra distance DOES come in handy. 50yds is a loooooong way to shoot a bird in timber I'll agree. But 65-70+ is not out of the question in fields if you have worked on your gun/load/choke and know what it will do. I killed a bird (STONECOLD DEAD too!) at spot on 50yds with HeviShot in the open, mature hardwoods of southern MO. In the thickets of my home area of western TN such a shoot wouldn't be an option!

Sure if you are sworn to NEVER shoot over 45 yds then yeah DON'T waste your money with $100 tubes and $7 Nitro shells (there has been a BIIG price increase in the stuff this year!) I will not argue that. But with a red-dot and some new "technology" there are much farther capabilities for the long range turkey hunter than is possible with even the best lead loads. How many times have you had that, "Man he hung up out there at 55-65 yds?" It used to happen all the time too me. Many would just take the shot anyway and either scare thebird or worse, wound it but it flew away. Now you have the opportunity to take that "hang up" out of the equation. More odds in your favor.

I am sure you guys will get onto me now for saying someone can take a turkey well over 50 yds, but I am not here to defend or disprove the question of such. Just answering why we will pay for extra performance.

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Old 01-29-2006, 10:55 AM
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I beleive you can shoot them that far.My longest shot is 72yds.I only got 3 pellets in the neck,but I got him.I shoot turkeys every year @ 45-56 yds.I guess I am lucky enough to have found a choke/shell combination.That's why I went back to my 3.5" Winchester HV #4's.I try to shoot @30,but I know my gun will flatten them out easily @60yds.

SO,you get 180-200..or 320 hits whatever it is.It'smostly small shot!.The nitro loads are mostly hevi #7's.I saw the pellet count at Jesse's hunting site.390 #7's out of 553 pellets?The restare 4's,and 5's.That doesn't impress me.Those 7's don't hit like my 4's.I have more 4's in my shell than there are 4's and 5's combined in the 4x5x7 nitro load.I may not have the # of hit's,but will take bird for bird against a nitro load.There's difference between poking holes in paper,and poking holes in the necks/wingbones/legs of turkeys.But if you are satisfied with the $ that you spent,and it gives you that much more confidence...That's all that matters.

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Old 01-29-2006, 04:23 PM
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i can only assume that paintbrush is using a single shot 12 or 20, no choke tubes and a 2 3/4" standard high brass load.................if he isn't, isn't he just buying into the gimmick of the manufactueres?
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:41 PM
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Ranch99 how many turkeys have you killed with Hevi-Shot, Nitros and other non-steel shot?

I was shooting Rem's Hevi-Shot at turkeys before it was even legalized as a steel substitute by the Feds for waterfowl. Many of my hunters (I have guided on a commercial cattle operation in southern MO for 20 years) went too it after some "proof" on the range for them. And I have worked in two proshops nowand have 100s of customers who have switched too the lead alternatives. All in all I have been in onor around 100s of birds killed by the stuff. It IS that danged good.

If you don't like it, want to continue to use lead and whatever chokesthat is completely fine with me. No one is holding a gun too your head and demanding that you use it. But for you to blatantly belittle and berate hunters who DO use it, that is wrong and speaks poorly of you. Do you deerhunt? I suppose you hunt STRICTLY with a muzzleloader or a 30/30 then? Those new fangled magnum centerfires with high powered scopes,they are justa waste of money and are aconspiracy by the makers to take hunters money right? Are those hunters stupid for using such equipment? They really are just morons for using it when in reality it really offers NO performance increase does it? It's all just a figment of their immagination nowisn't it?

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Old 01-29-2006, 05:57 PM
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Well,red I guess you took me wrong.Having confidence in your weapon is a good thing.I am agreeing with paintbrush,that what is done with nitro,can be done with a well selected choke/shell combination.I have killed birds with hevi,and it does do the job,but it is not worth the $ to me.My post was not meant to belittle or berate anyone who does use it.It is good,but it is EXPENSIVE.It is more costly than what the output is to me,and that was my piont.Not to down anyone.I'm not like that.And to humor you Yes I deer hunt I use Bow,shotgun,muzzleloader,rifle,and have taken deer with a x-bow.I am all for any advantage that I can get,but with the super expensive nitro/rhino...and hevi..I don't see where it is any better than a fine tuned load of #4's.It is hard to prove that a bird that is taken with nitro,could not be taken with lead,and vise versa.I know people(including me)that have consistantly taken birds at the mentioned distances with lead.And therefore I say If it gives you more confidence in your firearm that's all that matters.I too used to not have confidence in my 11-87 3",and went seeking the 3.5" advantage,and it made all the difference in the world.Sorry to have ruffled your feathers.
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Old 01-29-2006, 06:15 PM
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Oh,and I am getting one of those new fangled 270WSM's![8D]The ballistics speak for themselves.There is a difference with one bullet,and shot pellets though.
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