Mouth Call
#12
RE: Mouth Call
ORIGINAL: Arrowmaster
The shortest reed goes below not on top. You will also have to trim it as well.
The shortest reed goes below not on top. You will also have to trim it as well.
#14
RE: Mouth Call
ORIGINAL: Adrian J Hare
Well StrutBPS , I hate to disagree with your statements but >I'm going too !
All though Custom calls are sometimes good , the reason of difference is the grade of woods that are placed in these call to repo sound tones that you can not get from mass production. The reason mass production is not as good is because the average hunter will not pay 100's of dollars for a good quality made call. Another difference in Friction type calls are the woods put into Strikers to run these type of pot calls or the Combo woods put into the paddle and box on a Box call.
Well StrutBPS , I hate to disagree with your statements but >I'm going too !
All though Custom calls are sometimes good , the reason of difference is the grade of woods that are placed in these call to repo sound tones that you can not get from mass production. The reason mass production is not as good is because the average hunter will not pay 100's of dollars for a good quality made call. Another difference in Friction type calls are the woods put into Strikers to run these type of pot calls or the Combo woods put into the paddle and box on a Box call.
Secondly, you are not paying for looks like you are in a presentation call. This is why the NWTF has two classes of competition for call makers; hunting and presentation. Heck, most presentation calls won't even make a sound! Its just a canvas inthe shape of a turkey call.
What you are really paying for is quality control. Most custom calls, such as Woodhaven or Bud and Betty's are made by hand, usually by one or two people. But what really comes in handy is that Mike Pentecost at Woodhaven, and Russell Lynch at Bud and Betty's sound check each and every call that leaves their workshop, and they hand pick which striker goes into each package. Flat calls or "duds", get scraped, not packaged and sold. Itshonestly a good thing to see that scuffed upsquare inch area on a glass or crystal call when its still in the package, because that means someone at the factory took the time to make sure it was right before sending it out to the stores.
The same applies with mouth calls , Yes some mouth calls sound better then others , but on the larges point , its the reed number + reed thickness+ reed cut that changes the sound of how one mouth call works over another with anyone person.
Now what is true is that you will get a much raspier sound with more reeds and more cuts. But we all know that, I'm not going to get in to that. But to say that one mouth callwill sound the same no matter who is using it is just crazy. Just look at how Matt Van Cise or Billy Yargas yelp. I know Billy yelps across the call, which makes it that nice high low, and thats built into the reeds just like how its built into a good friction call. If you were to yelp on that call like you typically would a V-cut call you would get a flat, whining yelp that sounds more like a heron then a turkey. But if you yelped across a line built call, you wouldn't get the same quality of sound. It takes a custom call, but it also to some extent takes a custom caller. But these are for judges more than turkeys (although I could make some comments about some of my judges that I won't ).
Mass production calls are done in lines , that you may have a little difference in the same trype of cut , but on a hunting note , it don't mean a great difference in the woods. Custom calls are generally built one at a time. One of the main reasons for this was for the compation caller that was looking for the consitency in mouth calls. At the same time these calls could be built from the thickness of laytex that the user felt better using.
Over all for a person to start out on a mouth call and learn how to use the call , he or she should start with a 2 reeded 3 mil Clear call. A clear call is a call with No reed cuts in the call at all.
The problem a lot of first time mouth call users have is advice from callers that have used calls for a couple or few years and believe what they are blowing is the best of the best, in fact it is not the best to start out with.
So if you want to learn fast and easy ,, the Wallmart Calls are ok as long as they are 2 reeded clear calls.
I know this because I also make my own mouth calls for comp's and have for years. mass production calls are every bit as good as calls custom or hand made , its the one useing the call that makes the difference...BT
So if you want to learn fast and easy ,, the Wallmart Calls are ok as long as they are 2 reeded clear calls.
I know this because I also make my own mouth calls for comp's and have for years. mass production calls are every bit as good as calls custom or hand made , its the one useing the call that makes the difference...BT
#15
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2006
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RE: Mouth Call
It takes practice and patience, I couldnt use them at first either but now can make any sound a turkey does including Gobbles , dont give up , I love to use a mouth call the same time im using a friction call sounds like more than one hen fires them boys up
#16
RE: Mouth Call
I'm glad to see your reply swampcollie, since it's very informative. I came in today with the intent of putting in a post about the differant style diaphrams so maybe you'll help me out here. Not trying to hijack this original post,I think ratman21 and others will also benefit. I started witha primos package and am most comfortable with the mini-a w/2 reeds (best fit) but think it may sound to high pitched. So,bought some Quaker Boysand pitch seems to sound better but after a fewminutes in the mouth purring gets more difficult (purrs easily at first) so that's confusing. Also, have some with 1 reed, 2 and 3 reeds andnotched and vee'd. Can youor someone explain the differances? Bottom line is: my intent is to find one mouth call that will suffice for everything because I am doing my hunting with bow only and wantfree hands and not have to change callsevery so often. Is that possible? let me edit real quick, primos reeds seem nice and tight and quakers seem very loose, is that causing my purring troubles possibly?
#18
RE: Mouth Call
ORIGINAL: BKE
I started witha primos package and am most comfortable with the mini-a w/2 reeds (best fit) but think it may sound to high pitched. So,bought some Quaker Boysand pitch seems to sound better but after a fewminutes in the mouth purring gets more difficult (purrs easily at first) so that's confusing.
I started witha primos package and am most comfortable with the mini-a w/2 reeds (best fit) but think it may sound to high pitched. So,bought some Quaker Boysand pitch seems to sound better but after a fewminutes in the mouth purring gets more difficult (purrs easily at first) so that's confusing.
As your mouth warms up the latex, it expands. It becomes more flexible. Over time, the frame will acctually bend a bit as well, and you'll notice the call feels more comfortable in your mouth. Diaphrams have a bit of a breaking in period, and they also have a point at which the latex has stretched so much that you can hardly make a turkeysound with them anymore.
I think a lot of it depends on precisely how you are purring. Purring, and purring well is one of the most difficult things to do on a mouth call, or heck any wind driven call for that matter in any discipline.I personally purr best, by fluttering my lips. Its a delicate flutter, and I throw in a bit of a tounge roll and a bit of vocal vibrations, but its hard to explain it. Exactly what will work best, well, its sort of up to you to figure out. I will tell you this however, some of the sorriest sounds in the forest come from the real thing. I think that rhythm, more so then pitch is the most important part of calling for turkey hunting.But even that comes after volume, and I am writing about AMOUNT, not how loud you call, which would likely be third.
Also, have some with 1 reed, 2 and 3 reeds andnotched and vee'd. Can youor someone explain the differances? Bottom line is: my intent is to find one mouth call that will suffice for everything because I am doing my hunting with bow only and wantfree hands and not have to change callsevery so often. Is that possible? let me edit real quick, primos reeds seem nice and tight and quakers seem very loose, is that causing my purring troubles possibly?
With regards to just having one call that does it all....I haven't seen it.(SEEEDIT!!!) Considering that in the course of hunting you sometimes have to make both hen and gobbler sounds, you are trying to find something in a mouth call that not even the turkeys themselves have. A call that does a good kee kee, will often do a so-so yelp, and often a rotten fighting purr (which I think is more important than a hen purr). Calling competitions are certainly not turkey hunting, but it is useful to hunters because it teaches you how to use a turkey call better. The more noises you can make, the better. Comp callers have an assortmentof calls they use in a routine. Usually at least 3 or 4, and each one of those does ONE certain call better than any other they have ever used. And in some competitions (most in fact) you aren't even limited to mouth calls, so why purr on a mouth call when a slate does it that much sweeter, and that much easier? But there again, we are calling turkeys, not judges.
Personally, and here is what you are probably looking for now that I have rambled on too long, I would much rather have a raspier, louder call in my mouth, if I could only have one. Something like a Van Cise Woodhaven, or a V3, or a Sadler McGraw. I can make a passing grade hen purr with just my mouth, tucking the call away in my cheek. Really though, I wouldn't worry about a hen purr too terribly much, yes it is an important call, but most hunters make it WAY WAY too loud. I would focus on yelps, cuts, and clucks. Most importantly, I would use leafing raking, or scratching to finish a bird off. In my experience, this works 10 times better than even the best hen purr I have ever heard (the real thing).
EDIT: There is in fact one call, and in effect one caller that I have seen that can effectively immitate every sound a wild turkey makes, both male and female. The caller is a gentleman from Capron, VA named Tommy Dead-Eye Barham, and the call is a Primos Snuff Tube. Tommy has been using that thing longer than I have been alive. To hear him use it is like hearing a whole flock. He can make it sing like Springstein can make a 6 string sing, which is exactly why if you should buy one, you will see Tommy with a large Gobbler he killed on the face of the package. Will Primos knows talent when he hears it no doubt, and he's no slouch himself.