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RE: Elitist attitude

"Wyvern, I had posted before I ready your last couple of posts. Thanks for the clarification, and I apologize if I came across the wrong way."

No need to apologize...this is usually a very heated exchange and I am one of the WORST at hitting "send". I have probably done more to warrent apologizing on here than anyone.:)

Wyvern

RE: Elitist attitude

"Like I said, we get back what we put into it.If we have a concern about the future of hunting, we need to bring folks in and help them learn what it's all about. We can talk and debate and fuss back and forth on message boards, or we can get out and do something. That, in my opinion, is the answer."

Excelent statement!!!!
Wyvern

RE: Elitist attitude

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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily

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ORIGINAL: Schultzy

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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily

I was just asking because you did make it clear why P & Y was important to you, which was a legit reason that I will agree with. I just thought there might be another way of looking at this that i have yet to see.;)

To me Burnie a bow should be drawn, not locked into place. Thats my only complaint with a crossbow. Where's it going to end if we keep allowing things, gadgets, draw locks, etc? I wanna preserve the bow hunting heratige of what little is left. It kinda scares me. Is that so bad of me? Maybe it is, and if it is then I'm guilty as heck!;)

So, are you trying to protect bow hunting heratige, or bow hunting rights? I dont think the traditional heratige is in any way threatened. Ive seen it grow quit a bit since the advent of the high tech compounds. The high tech stuff gets people started, then when they have accomplished it, they move on to a bigger challenge. Id wagger many on this forum, right now got their start with compounds. Trad gear did take a big hit in the 80s on up to the 90s, but i think its making a come back. The old is the new, new.:D But I under stand the idea of trying to insure the tradition continues. As for crossbows, im not sure what to call them, but it does not bother me that they are being used. ;)

Good post Burnie, you have some good points in here! Its more the bow hunting heritage that I'm looking after or worried about. If no one did care and if P@Y didn't give a damn either who knows what people would be bow hunting with today.

RE: Elitist attitude

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ORIGINAL: Wyvern Crossbow

" do nothing positive for the bow hunting world? This is coming from a salesman, low blow and expected from your kind! No wonder people get irritated with salesman. "

That is the reason I followed it with an appology...I am hitting "send" too quick and that was uncalled for by me...

Again, I am sorry
Wyvern

No problem. Apology excepted!;) I often get worked up too.

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I probably don't visit that forum once a year......do I need to elaborate why? I'm afraid these guys are cutting their own throat, and ours too in the process.

I'd also like to point out that the elephant Fred Bear killed with his 75# recurve isjust as dead as the one pictured there........[8D]

Chad

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I'm afraid these guys are cutting their own throat, and ours too in the process.

Yeah, Chad, it really goes a long way toward illustrating the point I was trying to make earlier, way back there on page 25.

I'vesaidall I've got to say on this thread. See ya later!

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ORIGINAL: LBR

I probably don't visit that forum once a year......do I need to elaborate why? I'm afraid these guys are cutting their own throat, and ours too in the process.

I'd also like to point out that the elephant Fred Bear killed with his 75# recurve isjust as dead as the one pictured there........[8D]

Chad

You got it LBR! What happened anyway on that thread? Went to check it out and a bunch of stuff was deleted out.

RE: Elitist attitude

I agree Art--I was just trying to avoid going off on a different tangent--hard enough to keep up as it was.

Schultzy, I have no idea what was removed or why--I just don't visit that board much at all.

Chad

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And you are right, I don't get it when one style claims to have cornered the market on comaraderie or anything else related to the intangibles of hunting.

Lanse couche couchedo you study human nature any ? I do. Humans like EASY. They'll take it anywhere they can get it and rarely do they go for harder. They'll drive 3 miles further down the road to use a gas pump thats pay outside instead of going in. they'll go to one grocery store instead of another just becuase they don't have to sack their own groceries.

Human LOVE easy. Easy equals BETTER too, thats very common belief.

But let me submit this, its NOT always better and I'd argue it actually is WORSE.

Pro-ball players using steroids to make things easier and better - but itsmade it worse. Thats a good example right there.

I thinkpeople searching for easy with their bows have lost what it is to HUNT. They shoot farther, more accurate, higher letoffs, more tricks and gadgets, scent lock clothing, electronic calls, more deer scents than you can imagine, scent prrof gum, ATV's, cam corders, $10,000 leases ........ good gawd, when did deer hutning get to this point ?

When people shifted from hunting the hard way to the EASY way.

Make no mistake, there is a differnt in hunting for sportand hunting for meat - that seperates what most of us do today from what our grandfathers did 60-70 years ago. They needed the meat, we don't.

The shift, to easy, also follows right in line with selfishness, and the need to kill big antlers and bragging rights. Its all wrapped together.

Go to a trad only site. They post pics of does killed with self bows and they're more proud than guys shooting 150" bucks with compounds. I mean that too - and they'd rather their son kill a doe with a recurve on top of that or their best friends.

I hunted last fall in Canada with a group of trad hunters, it was enlightening. It was ALL about the hunt, the experience, the killing of cariobu was the least thought of thing. Its hard to describe, it was NOTING like a compound or rifle camp IMO.

NEW61375 fair enough answer

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I myself too would set that kid up with a compound so he/she can get there feat wet. Thats how my folks started me out years ago

does it bother you that any 13 year old kid can get hunting good with a compound in a very short time and hunt with it ?

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However, I really don't think that compounds and crossbows are the answer.

I'm going to use that as my sig line - you've finally crossed the line to the dark side :)

we get what we put in it .......... isn't that the truth ?

LBR knows it, he can shoot a 170" buck with a crossbow and say okay, nice buck, glad I got him, good meat. He shoots a 125" buck with a bow a buddy made, a string he made, some arrows custom made for him, maybe some trad clothers, you know, what MAKES the hunt and suddenly that 125" bucks is SO frickin more of a trophy that words can't describe.

I've killed my share of animals. 300" elk, 140's whitetails, mule deer, antelope ........ my 11 point TD longbow buck was by far my greatest accomplishment IMO. Funny how that is, and some of my unfilled tag hunt ? More successful with a recurve than my tag-filled hunts with a compound.

That don't make sense unless you've been there and done that, does it to some ?